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    Default Re: snake needs identifying

    Juvenile black racer?

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    It's an older Northern watersnake. They get darker the older they get and before they molt. Check out photo #4 in the link for one about the same color.

    https://www.paherps.com/herps/snakes...n-water-snake/
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    Quote Originally Posted by longcall911 View Post
    I'm terrible at identifying snakes. Came across this one on the Saucon Rail Trail Hellertown, coming out of the marsh area.

    He's young. Maybe 28-30 inches.

    Thoughts on what he is?
    Could you go back and get another picture from the other side so the colors are not in shadow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gghbi View Post
    Could you go back and get another picture from the other side so the colors are not in shadow?
    Yeah, then flip it over and count it’s belly scales so we can let you know if it’s a biter or not. That is how you tell, even number belly scales don’t bite, odd ones do bite!

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    Quote Originally Posted by streaker69 View Post
    Rather racist of you to assume it's a "he".
    So women and men are separate races? I can’t keep up. I like it the old way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manxdriver View Post
    Yeah, then flip it over and count it’s belly scales so we can let you know if it’s a biter or not. That is how you tell, even number belly scales don’t bite, odd ones do bite!
    You could just stick your hand in front of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandcut View Post
    It's an older Northern watersnake. They get darker the older they get and before they molt. Check out photo #4 in the link for one about the same color.

    https://www.paherps.com/herps/snakes...n-water-snake/
    But do we shoot it? God, it’s like you let that out to be funny. Only 2 kinds of snakes, rodent eating good ones and the target kind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandcut View Post
    It's an older Northern watersnake. They get darker the older they get and before they molt. Check out photo #4 in the link for one about the same color.

    https://www.paherps.com/herps/snakes...n-water-snake/
    Gotta go with this Northern watersnake. Thanks for the link. Based on photos and info on page, I'm certain that's what it is.

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    I stopped going for evening dog walks without a flash light.

    Came across this one night. (No flash used to show how difficult it was to see)




    Here it is with flash

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunsnwater View Post
    But do we shoot it? God, it’s like you let that out to be funny. Only 2 kinds of snakes, rodent eating good ones and the target kind.
    Well...it's the rodent eating kind (and fish, and salamander, and frog....), but so are rattlesnakes and copperheads. So I don't rightly know what's left to be the "shooting kind".

    There really isn't any legitimate reason to shoot a snake in PA, provided that it is outdoors. We don't have Black Mambas that will chase you down and bite you. As long as you keep your head up and pay attention to what's around you, even our poisonous snakes will crawl away from you. Now if you have a license to kill a rattlesnake on a hunt, that's different. But I spend a lot more time afield than most folks and, even in known high density rattlesnake terrain, I've only ever bumped into one snake in my whole adult life.

    Perhaps things are different way down south in the bayous cottonmouths, but it ends up that much of the time, the snake that gets called "cottonmouth" or "water moccasin" the most is the nonpoisonous Northern watersnake that we're talking about above. So there's little need to pull out a Bond Arms derringer loaded with .410 shot shot shells to finish it off. Either walk around the snake or get a stick and shoo it away.

    I'm 1,000X more afraid of the ticks and related diseases that mice and other rodents carry than any old rattlesnake. Keep the snakes around to keep the population of reservoir hosts down.
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