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Thread: Patron foils PNC bank robbery.
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December 11th, 2018, 12:55 PM #21
Re: Patron foils PNC bank robbery.
If your local bank dimmed the lights and required every customer to wear sunglasses, they'd be liable for everyone who tripped on the rug. Because they would have increased the chances of that happening, and it was obviously foreseeable that it could happen.
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December 11th, 2018, 06:44 PM #23
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December 11th, 2018, 06:48 PM #24
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December 11th, 2018, 07:35 PM #25
Re: Patron foils PNC bank robbery.
PNC has a sign "please remove hats and sunglasses" I remove my sunglasses so I can see better but leave the hat on.
Last edited by STBear; December 11th, 2018 at 07:41 PM.
Sticks and stones will break my bones but hollow points expand on impact.
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December 11th, 2018, 10:10 PM #26
Re: Patron foils PNC bank robbery.
Rules are written in the stone,
Break the rules and you get no bones,
all you get is ridicule, laughter,
and a trip to the house of pain.
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December 11th, 2018, 10:25 PM #27
Re: Patron foils PNC bank robbery.
Attorney Phil Kline, AKA gunlawyer001@gmail.com
Ce sac n'est pas un jouet.
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December 11th, 2018, 10:59 PM #28
Re: Patron foils PNC bank robbery.
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December 11th, 2018, 11:14 PM #29
Re: Patron foils PNC bank robbery.
The threat of life/limb occurred at the very moment the act of robbery was committed.
Read Chermansky 1968.
You can be killed for merely fleeing after committing one of PA SC's enumerated violations if you announce the intent to arrest the felon, and you cannot immediate effect an arrest.
If you can kill a fleeing felon, you can certainly kill them in the act thereof.
PA SC ruled these acts as "normally causes or threatens death or great bodily harm." (their words)
We therefore hold that from this date forward the use of deadly force by a private person in order to prevent the escape of one who has committed a felony or has joined or assisted in the commission of a felony is justified only if the felony committed is treason, murder, voluntary manslaughter, mayhem, arson, robbery, common law rape, common law burglary, kidnapping, assault with intent to murder, rape or rob, or a felony which normally causes or threatens death or great bodily harm.[3] We also note that for the use of deadly force to be justified it remains absolutely essential, as before, that one of the enumerated felonies has been committed and that the person against whom the force is used is the one who committed it or joined or assisted in committing it. Commonwealth v. Duerr, 158 Pa. Superior Ct. 484, 45 A.2d 235 (1946). If the private citizen acts on suspicion that such a felony has been committed, he acts at his own peril. For the homicide to be justifiable, it must be established that his suspicion was correct.Last edited by knight0334; December 12th, 2018 at 10:12 AM.
RIP: SFN, 1861, twoeggsup, Lambo, jamesjo, JayBell, 32 Magnum, Pro2A, mrwildroot, dregan, Frenchy, Fragger, ungawa, Mtn Jack, Grapeshot, R.W.J., PennsyPlinker, Statkowski, Deanimator, roland, aubie515
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December 12th, 2018, 11:09 AM #30
Re: Patron foils PNC bank robbery.
Black letter law is NOT controlling. It would be useful to look up the case law but more importantly, the jury instructions, where that decision has been used in a defendant's trial where that decision has been used as the foundation for the self-defense claim. Might fly in Jefferson County , Philadelphia County?
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