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  1. #11
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    Default Re: Patron foils PNC bank robbery.

    Quote Originally Posted by 2DogsBarking View Post
    "At this point, police were told, a customer inside the bank pulled a firearm and demanded the suspect to drop the bag and lay on the floor.

    The suspect did as he was ordered, police said, and then jumped up and fled from the bank into a wooded area."

    WE are not the police - now he goes on to rob another day and/or be caught and live off our support.
    He was armed - is deemed a threat - shoot to neutralize the threat - preferably dead!
    No.
    To justify the shoot there needs to be an immediate threat of death or serious bodily injury.
    It could even be argued that the CC escalated the incident and put everyone at risk of a potential shootout.
    If you are armed and witness a retail establishment robbery, you should only get involved if it has turned violent or is about to turn violent.
    You will also need to justify your use of force after the fact, and you may be charged if you are unable to justify your shoot.
    How can you have any cookies if you don't drink your milk?

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    Default Re: Patron foils PNC bank robbery.

    Quote Originally Posted by Berncly View Post
    No.
    To justify the shoot there needs to be an immediate threat of death or serious bodily injury.
    It could even be argued that the CC escalated the incident and put everyone at risk of a potential shootout.
    If you are armed and witness a retail establishment robbery, you should only get involved if it has turned violent or is about to turn violent.
    You will also need to justify your use of force after the fact, and you may be charged if you are unable to justify your shoot.
    I'd like to live in a country where criminals worry about guys like this "sticking their nose in where it doesn't belong". EVERY gun owner that believes in the concept of deterrence should applaud guys like this. You're right, he wouldn't have been justified in shooting the perp, but I imagine he was saying "Give me a reason!"

  3. #13
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    Default Re: Patron foils PNC bank robbery.

    Quote Originally Posted by scruff View Post
    I'd like to live in a country where criminals worry about guys like this "sticking their nose in where it doesn't belong". EVERY gun owner that believes in the concept of deterrence should applaud guys like this. You're right, he wouldn't have been justified in shooting the perp, but I imagine he was saying "Give me a reason!"
    I agree.
    But we get a lot of new CC traffic here, and we have a responsibility to keep them informed and out of jail.
    Otherwise you get the guy that shot the hatchet shoplifter et al.
    How can you have any cookies if you don't drink your milk?

  4. #14
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    Default Re: Patron foils PNC bank robbery.

    My error on thinking the perp was armed ------Oh well.

    Still prefer him dead.

  5. #15
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    Default Re: Patron foils PNC bank robbery.

    Would be OK in Texas , not in PA. He'll probably lose his LTCF.
    I don't speak English , I talk American!

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