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Thread: Purchasing Guns At Odd Hours
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October 12th, 2018, 09:34 AM #31Senior Member
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October 12th, 2018, 09:39 AM #32
Re: Purchasing Guns At Odd Hours
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October 12th, 2018, 10:39 AM #33
Re: Purchasing Guns At Odd Hours
8pm in my basement "shop" -not odd at all. You can have a cigar if PICS is taking a while.
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October 12th, 2018, 11:34 AM #34
Re: Purchasing Guns At Odd Hours
From the Manual for Pennsylvania Instant Check System (PICS) Paragraph 2.0 Verification of Information on Forms:
Forms required for firearm transactions, state, federal, or both must be completed and signed by the individual prior to the initiation of the background check telephone call. (PSP italics)
With the newer electronic form by computer, the same stipulation goes but since the buyer has to input the information in the computer it is sort of a moot point. That said, the FFL could get into trouble if they are inputting the information into the computer instead of the buyer.
As for the buyer needing to stay until the results come back, that is bunk. I do a lot of transfers for foreign nationals and it always takes a minimum of several hours and sometimes even days for the results to come back, just depends on INS/DHS and how quick they get back to the PSP. That is why a dealer is not supposed to have the buyer sign Section C of the SP4-113 (if required) until the approval number is issued. Also, if it takes so long that the actual transfer cannot happen on the same day the buyer fills out the 4473, the FFL is required to have the buyer sign Section C of the 4473, recertifying that everything in Section A is still valid.Ron USAF Ret E-8 FFL01/SOT3 NRA Benefactor Member
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October 12th, 2018, 12:39 PM #35
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October 12th, 2018, 12:52 PM #36
Re: Purchasing Guns At Odd Hours
All that to little avail regarding crime:
(From this week's GunsAmerica) 2008 Pittsburgh stat-
Gun crime, gun owned by someone else: 79%
Owned by perp: 18%
Unknown: 3%
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October 12th, 2018, 02:05 PM #37Senior Member
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Re: Purchasing Guns At Odd Hours
Well yes there is the element of drama and suspense but mostly its because Cabela's has gotten a bad rap on this forum, at least in terms of buying guns, since Cabela's guns are overpriced which I do admit to. But Cabela's is excellent for shopping for other stuff not the least being ammo. You will find good ammo prices at Cabela's. And they've also got some good clothing, good camping, and good survival gear.
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October 12th, 2018, 02:10 PM #38
Re: Purchasing Guns At Odd Hours
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October 12th, 2018, 05:58 PM #39
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