9/26/18 EVERYONE MUST CALL REPS AGAIN NOW!! GUN CONFISCATION VOTE AT 9:30AM TODAY!!

[Berncly]

Nice platitudes, but it doesn't work, for 30+ years the Republican party has been ignoring conservatives, they play lip service and stab us in the back the first chance they get. If EVERYONE who is disenfranchised abandoned the party the way they did us, the party wouldn't exist, and the NEW party (the one everyone is abandoning for) would be a legitimate third party challenger replacing the RINOS.

Since the NRA supports compromise and undermining the 2A, I don't support them either, I support the GOA and others who WON'T sell us out, like the NRA did AGAIN.

Edit to add, it's not US splintering that will give it to the D's it's the RINOS who are ignoring and pushing away the conservatives and conservative value, put the blame where it belongs, stop blaming the victim.

It's not about blame, it's about political reality.
Politics is a dirty game, always has been, always will be.
It is rare to ally yourself with a political party and get what you want all the time.

We live in a big country with a large population.
You can't manage tens of millions of people the same way you manage a thousand, or ten thousand, or even a hundred thousand.
To get what you want you need to partner with other millions of people that want different things and have different priorities.

Most of us are single issue voters with the 2A being our primary political concern.
This is because the 2A is the most representative of true individual liberty.
If someone is true to the 2A then they are most likely a true Conservative that believes in true individual liberty.

Unfortunately there are not enough people that understand the relationship between the 2A and liberty, or understand why it is of paramount concern.
As a result those of us in the 2A political spectrum must always be connected to lesser Conservatives in order to retain political influence.
To hold on so tight as to become an absolutist is a failing political strategy when dealing with elections that involve a hundred million people.

Which brings us back to the fact that politics is a dirty game and requires alliances and compromise in order to prevail.
Were the 2A lobby to abandon the Republican Party we would have no chance of competing in a hundred million person political contest.

If the Liberal Democrats return to power they are going to swing the country so far into Socialist authoritarianism that the 2A will be destroyed forever.
The only practical way for us to protect the 2A is to work within the existing political structure of the Republican Party.

Trump did it right and he succeeded.
He redirected the Republican Party away from the control of the existing power structure.
He convinced multiple shades of Conservatives to join him in protecting and promoting ideals that permeate the entire Conservative political spectrum.

Creating a third party is much more difficult than redirecting an existing party.
The Socialists did it within the Liberal Democrat Party, and Trump did it within the Republican Party.

We need to organize politically and financially, and we need to redirect the Republican Party back towards the 2A and true Conservative individual liberty.
Dropping out, refusing to vote, or throwing a vote away to a third party, are all ways that we will accomplish nothing but our own destruction.
Trump blazed the trail that we should follow if we want to succeed politically and protect the 2A.

[mikelets456]

In PA it doesn't really make sense to be another party because you can't vote in the primaries to vote out the rino.... This is our party and we need to take it back.

[theshadow]

It's not about blame, it's about political reality.
Politics is a dirty game, always has been, always will be.
It is rare to ally yourself with a political party and get what you want all the time.

We live in a big country with a large population.
You can't manage tens of millions of people the same way you manage a thousand, or ten thousand, or even a hundred thousand.
To get what you want you need to partner with other millions of people that want different things and have different priorities.

Most of us are single issue voters with the 2A being our primary political concern.
This is because the 2A is the most representative of true individual liberty.
If someone is true to the 2A then they are most likely a true Conservative that believes in true individual liberty.

Unfortunately there are not enough people that understand the relationship between the 2A and liberty, or understand why it is of paramount concern.
As a result those of us in the 2A political spectrum must always be connected to lesser Conservatives in order to retain political influence.
To hold on so tight as to become an absolutist is a failing political strategy when dealing with elections that involve a hundred million people.

Which brings us back to the fact that politics is a dirty game and requires alliances and compromise in order to prevail.
Were the 2A lobby to abandon the Republican Party we would have no chance of competing in a hundred million person political contest.

If the Liberal Democrats return to power they are going to swing the country so far into Socialist authoritarianism that the 2A will be destroyed forever.
The only practical way for us to protect the 2A is to work within the existing political structure of the Republican Party.

Trump did it right and he succeeded.
He redirected the Republican Party away from the control of the existing power structure.
He convinced multiple shades of Conservatives to join him in protecting and promoting ideals that permeate the entire Conservative political spectrum.

Creating a third party is much more difficult than redirecting an existing party.
The Socialists did it within the Liberal Democrat Party, and Trump did it within the Republican Party.

We need to organize politically and financially, and we need to redirect the Republican Party back towards the 2A and true Conservative individual liberty.
Dropping out, refusing to vote, or throwing a vote away to a third party, are all ways that we will accomplish nothing but our own destruction.
Trump blazed the trail that we should follow if we want to succeed politically and protect the 2A.

I was once naive and thought like you do. I was even trying to change the party with contributions thinking that I'd be more likely to be listened to. When the county party still wouldn't return my calls or emails I woke up and realized that to "Play by the rules to change the party from within" was really "Play by THEIR rules" which are stacked against US and will be deliberately changed AGAINST us. I came to the conclusion that the only way to "Win" is change the rules (as you pointed out Politics is dirty). If you can't to hold them accountable (they're not in position to please you, they are there for POWER), and they ignore you, you HAVE to undermine their power. Their power comes from money and those willing to "Hold their nose and vote for the less of two evils" while still ignoring the evil at all levels. There's no saying that people who leave the party can't still hold their nose and vote for the lessor, to prevent a bigger evil, but Republican and Democrat are the opposite sides of the same bad penny time to get a new penny, and loose the parties. They haven't been influenced from within, maybe having to get a coalition of parties (similar to the European model) they would be more willing to listen and support gun owners. Right now, as it stands what we're doing isn't working and WE are loosing, it's just by a matter of degrees. Your "Go along to get along" is a loosing fool's proposition of not disturbing the status flow.

[Wilderness 1864]

The Battle of 2016. That is what I call the election of Donald Trump. It was a battle, and an important one. I think of it metaphorically as akin to the Battle of Saratoga. That battle stalled the forces of King George at a time when victory for the Crown there might have ended it all. The Battle of Saratoga did not end the war. Many battles were lost in the fight against tyranny after that until final victory was achieved.

I am extremely disappointed in the overall weakness of GOP Leadership. They have squandered a golden opportunity handed them by President Trump and his army of Deplorables. Now, we have graduated from being Hillary's "Deplorables" to Joe Biden's "Dregs of Society". So be it.

Now is not the time to quit. If anything, it is time to get out and vote and support GOP Candidates, as flawed and weak as some of them may be. If we allow our disillusionment with the RINOs and scared Conservatives to become an excuse to cease our political fight, we will most certainly loose.

The Democrats have revealed themselves to be mostly lawless, violent, unethical and driven to shred the Constitution. Look at those Kavanaugh hearings, the censorship by Big Tech, the redlining of conservative groups, 2A advocates and businesses by Big Finance. You see the face of socialist/Communist evil and it is all there on display. The mask is off entirely.

If the Dems take either chamber of Congress, the Constitution is dead and our Bill of Rights is gone too, including the Second Amendment. There is no turning back. If the Dems, under current Dem leadership, come to power again, we will have full frontal tyranny that makes atrocious HB2060 look tame. If the Dems take the PA Legislature, we will go the route of NJ and NY within months.

[Didnotcomply89]

We've got a problem. https://www.guns.com/2018/09/28/penn...un-surrenders/

Lawmakers this week passed a measure decried by gun rights advocates that requires those subject to a protective order to turn in their guns within 24 hours.

The measure, HB 2060, was approved 131-62 by the Pennsylvania House on Wednesday, setting it up for further review by the Senate who passed a similar bill in March. Although backed by gun control advocates and urban Democrats, the bill’s backers pledged the move would not trample on the Second Amendment.

“Despite claims to the contrary, this legislation does not take firearms away from responsible gun owners,” said state Rep. Marguerite Quinn, R-Bucks, who sponsored the proposal. “The legislation will, when enacted, take firearms out of the hands of those who have received due process, and are deemed by the court to be violent and a threat.”..................

[nijwnfi]

We've got a problem. https://www.guns.com/2018/09/28/penn...un-surrenders/

So 24hrs is enough time for due process?

[GeneCC]

So 24hrs is enough time for due process?

They don't care about Due Process.

"Less guns, less crime". The logic follows the narrative.

[LBaker]

Quinn is running for state senate and having her ass handed to her. This is all about politics. They somehow believe that the anti leftists will vote republican if this passes. :/ Start calling and emailing the senate. Shit hits the fan on Monday from what I'm hearing. Special session on the senate floor. We had a compromise bill SB501 that was not as near egregious. It passed the senate 50-0 but never moved in the house. We as gun owners have been disregarded for the sake of a race for senate that can't be won...