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    Default "Anything more than five rounds and you are a problem"

    In a conversation with another gun owner today, he declared that if anyone needs more than five shots to end a threat then they have a big problem, as in the big problem is that you are incompetent, and that no one 'needs' 30 round magazines or 'assault weapons' (common sporting rifles). Your thoughts? is there truth to the statement? ignorance? I withhold my opinion until I hear some thoughts from the community. I don't mean for this to turn into a flame war. I want to gather insight from other people that I recognize at least know half of what they are talking about, at minimum.

    Thanks.

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    Default Re: "Anything more than five rounds and you are a problem"

    I would say if you need more than 1 shot you're a problem. One Shot, One Kill.
    Rules are written in the stone,
    Break the rules and you get no bones,
    all you get is ridicule, laughter,
    and a trip to the house of pain.

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    Default Re: "Anything more than five rounds and you are a problem"

    Speaking to Fudds is infuriating. Did you try hitting him?
    "A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself"

    "He created the game, played the game, and lost the game.... All under his own terms, by his own doing." JW34

    "Tolerance is the lube that helps slip the dildo of dysfunction into the ass of a civilized society." Plato

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    Default Re: "Anything more than five rounds and you are a problem"

    His 'logic' does not account for multiple assailants, which unfortunately is becoming more common. That's why they call them gangs!
    Illegitimus non carborundum est

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    Default Re: "Anything more than five rounds and you are a problem"

    I would add, given that the typical hit rate under duress is around 20% to 30% that means five rounds equal 1 to 1.5 hits. If that hit is a non-critical hit, you've emptied your gun and now you'll die because criminals know that more bullets are better than less bullets.

    https://www.policeone.com/police-her...mo-on-the-job/

    At the core of his desperate firefight was a murderous attacker who simply would not go down, even though he was shot 14 times with .45-cal. ammunition — six of those hits in supposedly fatal locations.
    "A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself"

    "He created the game, played the game, and lost the game.... All under his own terms, by his own doing." JW34

    "Tolerance is the lube that helps slip the dildo of dysfunction into the ass of a civilized society." Plato

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    Default Re: "Anything more than five rounds and you are a problem"

    Did this person own a 1911 and wear shirts that proclaim .45 is the best cause they didn't make a .46 or some BS?

    Personally, from reading a lot of police articles and reports from other shoots, I expect my performance under duress to go to shit so having more rounds available is better. And also if we are talking pistol rounds, they are pretty lousy at true one shot threat stops..
    Una Salus Victis Nullam Sperare Salutem

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    Default Re: "Anything more than five rounds and you are a problem"

    Quote Originally Posted by Didnotcomply89 View Post
    In a conversation with another gun owner today, he declared that if anyone needs more than five shots to end a threat then they have a big problem, as in the big problem is that you are incompetent, and that no one 'needs' 30 round magazines or 'assault weapons' (common sporting rifles). Your thoughts? is there truth to the statement? ignorance? I withhold my opinion until I hear some thoughts from the community. I don't mean for this to turn into a flame war. I want to gather insight from other people that I recognize at least know half of what they are talking about, at minimum.

    Thanks.
    Does this other gun owner also tell people how much income they need ?
    --ET

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    Default Re: "Anything more than five rounds and you are a problem"

    must be a government employee

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    Default Re: "Anything more than five rounds and you are a problem"

    CONSTITUTION MOTHER FUCKER!

    Honestly I would have yawned in his face and walked away because you CANNOT discuss logic with the illogical.
    Last edited by Hodgie; September 16th, 2018 at 10:37 PM.

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    Default Re: "Anything more than five rounds and you are a problem"

    Quote Originally Posted by GOYABEAN View Post
    must be a government employee
    If a government employee refers to 45acp ammunition as 'shells' then maybe.

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