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  1. #11
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    Default Re: De Facto registration with State to State Transfer???

    MOVE TO PA.

    GET A DRIVERS LICENSE.

    RECEIVE GUNS FROM FATHER.

    MOVE BACK TO WA WITH YOUR NEW GUNS.

    GET A WA DRIVERS LICENSE.

    DOCUMENT EACH STEP OF THE PROCESS WITH 8X10 COLOR GLOSSY PHOTOGRAPHS WITH CIRCLES AND ARROWS AND A PARAGRAPH ON THE BACK.....

    ALL LEGAL AND .GOV KNOWS NOTHING OF THE GUNS.

    Or spend $ and fill out forms and involve a bunch of hostile strangers in your business.
    American by BIRTH, Infidel by CHOICE

  2. #12
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    Default Re: De Facto registration with State to State Transfer???

    Quote Originally Posted by Emptymag View Post
    Speaking of... I just watched Red Dawn the other night...



    Round them up and take those people to the reeducation camp!
    LOL!

    Remember the shot right before this where they show the bumper sticker saying "You can take my gun when you pry it out of cold, dead hand."
    The shot then pans down to a dead hand clutching a .45 and a commy solider prying the gun out of it.
    Classic.

    Thanks for bringing that memory flooding back!
    Last edited by ReluctantPorkChop; September 9th, 2018 at 12:31 PM. Reason: typo

  3. #13
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    Default Re: De Facto registration with State to State Transfer???

    ReluctantPorkChop:

    Short answer is the PA and WA immediate family no paperwork transfer does not work here as the father and daughter are not currently residents of the same state. It would not work even if daughter were to make a trip to PA as she is a WA resident and dad is a PA resident. So guns have to be shipped from PA to WA. Once firearms cross state lines, FFLs must be involved. Now, if they were long arms only (rifles/shotguns), then daughter and husband could come to PA and dad could transfer the guns to her at any PA FFL who will do the paperwork. Even with that, the guns being transferred have to be legal to own in WA. If WA says any of the guns that dad wants to give daughter are prohibited in WA, then those couldn't be transferred.

    Here's a short how it will have to happen to get the guns from her dad (PA) to her (WA).

    1. Daughter finds a local FFL to accept the guns. Find out if FFL will accept guns from a non-FFL. If YES:
    A. Daughter gets a copy of WA FFL license to send to her dad to use for shipping purposes
    B. Dad packs up guns and ships, by common carrier (UPS or FedEx) since handguns are involved.
    C. WA FFL gets guns, logs them into his books.
    D. Daughter goes to WA FFL to do required transfer paperwork

    2. If NO (WA FFL will not accept guns from a non-FFL):
    A. Dad finds a local PA FFL to ship the handguns to the WA FFL
    B. Local PA FFL coordinates shipment with WA FFL
    C. WA FFL gets guns, logs them into his books.
    D. Daughter goes to WA FFL to do required transfer paperwork

    If the guns are given by dad to a PA FFL, the PA FFL will enter them into his records as an acquisition and then shows a disposition of the guns to the WA FFL. This is the only place the guns will be recorded in PA and that record stays with the PA FFL until he ceases business, then those records go to the BATFE storage facility.

    The WA FFL will log the guns in as an acquisition from the PA FFL and a disposition of the guns to the daughter. The ATF Form 4473 that the daughter fills out stays with the WA FFL until he goes out of business or 20 years lapses and then he can destroy them if he chooses. The only other time the contents of the 4473 are disclosed to anyone would be if those records are subpoenaed by a court of law. I do not know what is required by WA law for firearms being bought or transferred so I will not comment.
    Last edited by Xringshooter; September 10th, 2018 at 10:13 AM. Reason: oops, reread and it says handguns, no long guns
    Ron USAF Ret E-8 FFL01/SOT3 NRA Benefactor Member

  4. #14
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    Default Re: De Facto registration with State to State Transfer???

    The other option.

    FIL declares a beneficiary for the guns in his will - then dies.

    Federal law, and PA law(and most other states), allow for direct transfers due to bequest or intestate succession. ...no paperwork required.
    RIP: SFN, 1861, twoeggsup, Lambo, jamesjo, JayBell, 32 Magnum, Pro2A, mrwildroot, dregan, Frenchy, Fragger, ungawa.

  5. #15
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    Default Re: De Facto registration with State to State Transfer???

    Hypothetically. What if her father gave her the firearms while she still lived in PA and she never took them with her to WA? Now she wants her firearms in WA with her. She would be able just to take them with her correct?

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    Default Re: De Facto registration with State to State Transfer???

    Please don't post hypothetical situations. It has already been clearly stated by the OP what the situation is, so there is absolutely no reason to ask hypothetical questions, especially to suggest something like this to try to skirt the law. And don't try to argue your point, it is clear what you are doing, no matter how you state it.
    Ron USAF Ret E-8 FFL01/SOT3 NRA Benefactor Member

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    Default Re: De Facto registration with State to State Transfer???

    You must register with the government to voice your opinion now too.

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