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    Default Re: Gun shop employee says he needs to see LTCF

    Was it a new guy? Been there plenty of times and have never been asked to produce anything other than a drivers license when purchasing a firearm. In fact, all of my experiences there have been happy and uneventful. Definitely give the manager a call... someone needs retrained or replaced...

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    Default Re: Gun shop employee says he needs to see LTCF

    Quote Originally Posted by gnbrotz View Post
    Uhh....to and from a shop/dealer is one of the enumerated exceptions - NO LTCF necessary. Empty mag well, loaded mag in hand is NOT "loaded" and store employee has no idea what condition the firearm was in prior to store entry.
    Exactly.

    Regardless of whatever imaginary possible criminal act the shop can come up with to justify requesting it, he's overstepping his bounds - by leaps and bounds.

    Maybe he's a cop working there part time. The two worst sources for legal info on guns is (a) cops and (b) gun shops.
    Imagine a cop - working at a gun shop. Hoooo-weeee!!!
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    Default Re: Gun shop employee says he needs to see LTCF

    Quote Originally Posted by ett View Post
    Wait ? What ?
    Your friend had an unholstered and loaded gun in his car ?
    So how was he carrying it ? And how did he get it to his car ?
    Just like he’s carrying it now, without one in the chamber. Just let’s not have that discussion again.
    He also said his firearm was not listed on the fit list of the cheap nylon holsters he wanted to buy.

    Before they moved I was told they would never have black rifles because they are a store set up for “sportsman shooting” (hunting) as they put it. Of course that changed with demand. They also charge $60 for a face-to-face transfer, last time I asked, which is ridiculous. I was even told by someone down the road at Kerpers that the owner called their owner trying to bitch her out for doing transfers for 20 bucks saying she’s ruining their reputation.
    Are used to stop in weekly on my way home from work on Friday evenings to see if any new guns I’m interested came in used. On one particular night an new salesman started walking in my direction when another told him not to bother because “that guy never buys anything”. I chose not to bring up the five or six hand guns I did buy there in the past.
    I’m not looking to bash their store, this post really was about the awkward demand for my buddy’s license to carry firearms. I should have left the line about other absurdities out of my original post.
    In my opinion if the guy is an off-duty law-enforcement officer he should’ve identified himself as such or simply offered a friendly reminder to a potential customer about when a ltcf is required. The opinion that he was just making sure the guy he was about to sell a nylon halter to was not a criminal is valid but not one I agree with.
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    Default Re: Gun shop employee says he needs to see LTCF

    what model firearm is it?
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    Default Re: Gun shop employee says he needs to see LTCF

    Quote Originally Posted by fallenleader View Post
    what model firearm is it?
    You'll need to produce your LTCF to get an answer, sir. It's policy.
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    Default Re: Gun shop employee says he needs to see LTCF

    Quote Originally Posted by Emptymag View Post
    You'll need to produce your LTCF to get an answer, sir. It's policy.
    it doesn't fit in any of the slots on the computer.
    There is no way to make it out alive...

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    Default Re: Gun shop employee says he needs to see LTCF

    Quote Originally Posted by Gunsnwater View Post
    He had a loaded mag the salesman could see. He didn’t walk to the sportsman shop. The salesman wanted to know if the customer was breaking the law before making any sale to him. No loaded mag with handgun in vehicle without ltcf. Ianal. If the customer had not brought in the loaded mag he wouldn’t have been asked for the ltcf. If you buy a handgun and ammo at the same time, they ask if you have a ltcf, won’t usually ask to see it because they just ran a background check on you.

    More than one shop has mentioned ltcf when buying both gun and ammunition at the same time. Ymmv
    I've never been asked to show my LTCF when buying a handgun and ammo. And I've never seen anyone asked for their LTCF at a gun shop, or even Gander. Is this fairly common? It's not up in Erie area.

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    Default Re: Gun shop employee says he needs to see LTCF

    C'mon guys, go easy on him. It's a liability issue. Given current political climate, that affects all aspects of operations including insurance, and the deliberate instigation by left, any store is once "offense" from being closed.

    I applaud those, who bold, but I understand the cautious ones too.
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    Default Re: Gun shop employee says he needs to see LTCF

    Should ask to see a valid driver's license as well. Wouldn't want to risk doing business with someone who may be driving illegally.
    I called to check my ZIP CODE!....DY-NO-MITE!!!

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    Default Re: Gun shop employee says he needs to see LTCF

    Quote Originally Posted by Emptymag View Post
    Should ask to see a valid driver's license as well. Wouldn't want to risk doing business with someone who may be driving illegally.
    Just because he has a DL doesn't mean he's legal, should be asking for registration, proof of insurance and checking inspection stickers.
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