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  1. #21
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    Default Re: BYSTANDER STUPIDITY REGARDING O/C AT WALMART !

    glad to see i'm not the only one who looks paranoid in a store.
    "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

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    Default Re: BYSTANDER STUPIDITY REGARDING O/C AT WALMART !

    Quote Originally Posted by fallenleader View Post
    glad to see i'm not the only one who looks paranoid in a store.
    Do you look paranoid, or do you just stand up straight and make eye contact with everyone, while leaning into the candy rack?

    Or make conversation in the checkout line. No one notices if you're shielding a piece when you're talking to the person in front of and behind you.

    Vigilance takes into account what other people see, paranoia is just what you perceive.

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    Default Re: BYSTANDER STUPIDITY REGARDING O/C AT WALMART !

    Quote Originally Posted by JustinR View Post
    Any time I carry, OC or CC, my head moves like an owl. In grocery checkout lines? I'll "relax", and lean against the opposing checkout line or the candy rack. If the gun is between me and the rack, I can knock vigilance down a tick and just look like a disinterested guy in the checkout lane.

    If someone can touch your OC without you knowing, you're doing something really wrong.
    And when the line is out past the candy rack? Do you step out of the line so you can watch the people ahead of and behind you at the same time? How about when you're walking down a crowded aisle? Do you spin around like a ballerina so you can watch everyone at once? Sorry, but anybody who says they have 100% awareness of everything 360 degrees around them for every second is not being realistic.

    I'm sure the guy in the OP should have done a better job, but nothing is 100%.

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    Default Re: BYSTANDER STUPIDITY REGARDING O/C AT WALMART !

    Quote Originally Posted by scruff View Post
    And when the line is out past the candy rack? Do you step out of the line so you can watch the people ahead of and behind you at the same time? How about when you're walking down a crowded aisle? Do you spin around like a ballerina so you can watch everyone at once? Sorry, but anybody who says they have 100% awareness of everything 360 degrees around them for every second is not being realistic.

    I'm sure the guy in the OP should have done a better job, but nothing is 100%.
    No one is 360 100% of the time.

    But in a checkout line when you know you have someone on your six? Yes.

    But up a grocery aisle, looking behind you and in front of you isn't weird. "I'm just a dude, my wife sent me with a shopping list, I'm lost" and no one will question you, they'll just tell you where the bread is while blessing your heart - and you're the grey man the entire time.

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    Default Re: BYSTANDER STUPIDITY REGARDING O/C AT WALMART !

    I have never had a bystander try to touch my carry gun.

    I don't OC.

    Probably unrelated.
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    Default Re: BYSTANDER STUPIDITY REGARDING O/C AT WALMART !

    Quote Originally Posted by abner13 View Post
    Followed by an assault charge , followed by revocation of LTCF , followed by confiscation of firearms.
    I'll articulate my case.
    "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the Laws"
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  7. #27
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    Default Re: BYSTANDER STUPIDITY REGARDING O/C AT WALMART !

    i don't have 360degree awareness and don't make conversation, i don't like to be around people. i make eye contact with people.
    i look paranoid, guess i'm the only one.


    forever alone
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    Default Re: BYSTANDER STUPIDITY REGARDING O/C AT WALMART !

    Walking through Wally World my right arm is hanging straight down with the elbow touching the handgun's heel, not too much unlike Vladimir Putin's "gunslinger walk".


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    Default Re: BYSTANDER STUPIDITY REGARDING O/C AT WALMART !

    Quote Originally Posted by Statkowski View Post
    Walking through Wally World my right arm is hanging straight down with the elbow touching the handgun's heel, not too much unlike Vladimir Putin's "gunslinger walk".

    I watch a few 24 hour stores. So many people are guilty of this walk and probably dont even know they are doing it. It is easy to spot if you are a people watcher. I am guilty as well.
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    Default Re: BYSTANDER STUPIDITY REGARDING O/C AT WALMART !

    "BYSTANDER STUPIDITY REGARDING O/C AT WALMART"

    Perhaps suited in the OC folder too??

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