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    Default Genderqueers must check male or female on 4473

    https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/atf...urchasers/amp/


    The National Shooting Sports Foundation, the firearms industry trade association, asked the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives about how gun shops should process paperwork for genderqueer gun purchasers. Below is the Q&A:

    Question: If a transferee (consumer) presents a current, valid “non-binary” driver’s license as a form of government issued identification to establish their identity and proof of residency and then declines to select either “male” or “female” when answering Question 6, how is an FFL to proceed?

    ATF’s Response: FFLs may accept non-binary identification documents The Gun Control Act (GCA) at 18 U.S.C. § 922(t)(1)(C) requires licensees to verify the identity of each transferee by examining a valid identification document of the transferee containing a photograph of the transferee. An identification document is defined by 18 U.S.C. § 1028(d) in relevant part as:

    . . .a document made or issued by or under the authority of the United States Government . . . when completed with information concerning a particular individual, is of a type intended or commonly accepted for the purpose of identification of individuals.

    Question: What if in a state that does not issue non-binary driver’s licenses the transferee declines to select either “male” or “female,” how is the FFL to proceed? Or, if the transferee presents a current, valid driver’s license that indicates one sex but selects a different sex in answering Question 6? Or, if the photograph on the government issued identification, e.g. driver’s license, appears to depict one gender sex but the transferee selects a different sex in answering Question 6? What is the correct course of action in these scenarios for the FFL?

    ATF’s Response: The regulations at 27 CFR 478.11 further defines Identification Document in relevant part as:

    A document containing the name, residence address, date of birth, and photograph of the holder and which was made or issued by or under the authority of the United States Government, a State, political subdivision of a State. . .is of a type intended or commonly accepted for the purpose of identification of individuals.

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    Default Re: Genderqueers must check male or female on 4473

    Easy solution. Eliminate the 4473.

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    Default Re: Genderqueers must check male or female on 4473

    I thought insanity was a valid reason to not complete a sale?
    Rules are written in the stone,
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    all you get is ridicule, laughter,
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    Default Re: Genderqueers must check male or female on 4473

    If I were the FFL checking the 4473, and the information was incorrect, the sale would be cancelled. When the feds come around and scrutinize the paperwork, and find any error, the FFL will get called out on it. It happened and I know it. The realistic and simple solution is make sure the information is correct. If the buyer refuses to answer correctly, then I would refuse to make the sale. Its better to loose a small profit than the FFL.
    “Proclaim Liberty throughout all the Land unto all the Inhabitants thereof.

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    Default Re: Genderqueers must check male or female on 4473

    I think the FFL also has to bake them a wedding cake if requested.
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    Default Re: Genderqueers must check male or female on 4473

    Quote Originally Posted by streaker69 View Post
    I thought insanity was a valid reason to not complete a sale?
    Streaker for the win....
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    Default Re: Genderqueers must check male or female on 4473

    check one:
    male:
    female:
    other:

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    Default Re: Genderqueers must check male or female on 4473

    I give up, WTF is a gender queer?
    It's not hard to tell that democrats are the dumbest among us.

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    Default Re: Genderqueers must check male or female on 4473

    If you have a problem answering this question...I really don't think you should have a gun...
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