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Thread: Wolf signs "clean slate" law
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June 27th, 2018, 06:19 PM #11Grand Member
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June 27th, 2018, 06:28 PM #12
Re: Wolf signs "clean slate" law
According to philly's mayor, they're no felons, or excons, they're "returning citizens".
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June 27th, 2018, 06:45 PM #13
Re: Wolf signs "clean slate" law
What about the insurance companies that write liability insurance for these companies? If something bad happens they are left holding the bag.
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June 27th, 2018, 06:47 PM #14
Re: Wolf signs "clean slate" law
If you look into it they're low level, non violent misdemeanors with no subsequent offenses, not felons. Isn't this the same crew that says if you've done the time you should have your 2A rights restored?
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June 27th, 2018, 07:35 PM #15Grand Member
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June 27th, 2018, 08:23 PM #16
Re: Wolf signs "clean slate" law
A sealed record is not an expunged record.
Sealing only hides the conviction/charges/etc from public knowledge/access. The punitive legal effects are still there.
Example: You commit a crime and are convicted of an offense that would make you prohibited from owning a gun. Wait 10 years, get that record sealed - employers, landlords, etc couldn't find out about it via a background check. However, it would still be accessible to LEO's, DA's, judges, etc and the effects of that conviction would still apply.
An expungement wipes away the record and the legal effects.RIP: SFN, 1861, twoeggsup, Lambo, jamesjo, JayBell, 32 Magnum, Pro2A, mrwildroot, dregan, Frenchy, Fragger, ungawa, Mtn Jack, Grapeshot, R.W.J., PennsyPlinker, Statkowski, Deanimator, roland, aubie515
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June 27th, 2018, 08:27 PM #17
Re: Wolf signs "clean slate" law
The problem isn't being prohibited after a crime, the problem is the grading of offenses and federal law on prohibiting people with non-felony convictions.
We need to restore gradings of offenses, and allow for execution for all felonies once restored(like it once was). Then also repeal any victimless crime laws.RIP: SFN, 1861, twoeggsup, Lambo, jamesjo, JayBell, 32 Magnum, Pro2A, mrwildroot, dregan, Frenchy, Fragger, ungawa, Mtn Jack, Grapeshot, R.W.J., PennsyPlinker, Statkowski, Deanimator, roland, aubie515
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June 29th, 2018, 10:34 PM #18Grand Member
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June 30th, 2018, 12:40 AM #19
Re: Wolf signs "clean slate" law
This is annoying.
It says that the convictions will not matter for anyone trying to infiltrate an employer, who will be unable to find out that the person embezzled from a previous employer or committed other "non-violent" crimes at work. At the same time, the government thinks that the EXACT SAME conviction is important enough that the conviction may be used to nullify an enumerated civil right.
So you are automatically trustworthy enough to be an agent of a private company, maybe a mom & pop store. Trustworthy enough, 100% of the time, to have access to the employer's cash and property, to go to clients homes, to impact the employer's reputation.
On a personal basis, this means that when someone wants to look at his own criminal history to see if he's a prohibited person, that the records will be invisible, just like old 302 commitment records. Do police and the DA understand when someone who was committed tries to buy a gun, if the records of the commitment are unavailable to him?
No, they do not understand. Police prosecute such people for lying on the forms. Pretty much every day.
As usual, it's the government saying that the private sector has to suck it up and accept the risk and costs, while the government exempts itself from lesser issues.
I anticipate an increase in clients coming to me because they were denied based on invisible convictions, and are now being criminally prosecuted for the attempt. While I appreciate the cash flow, I disapprove of unfairness.Attorney Phil Kline, AKA gunlawyer001@gmail.com
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June 30th, 2018, 03:20 AM #20
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