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  1. #71
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    Default Re: What would/ should you do after pulling your gun on someone?

    Can carrying with one in the chamber be worked into this too?


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    Default Re: What would/ should you do after pulling your gun on someone?

    Quote Originally Posted by GeneCC View Post
    If you had something Cooper said about his rules you'd post it here, Justin. You have nothing, which is why you call him a "dead guy".



    Are you worried that I might have a point? Why do you believe that your way is the best way? Nobody anywhere has the best way.

    Why aren't you noting my criticisms? Maybe you'll learn something. Maybe you'll get a training partner, buy some light air soft pistols, face masks and learn how to manage closing distance. Maybe you'll decide that port of arms really is idiotic. Maybe you'll have an air soft AD on someone and you'll be like "What did I do?"

    Maybe you'll freeze sometime.... I've frozen. I love to make mistakes in practice.
    You need to stop.

    No, you can't wander around randomly pointing guns at "people".

    Yes, you may be legally and tactically justified in pointing a gun defensively at an aggressor. It's done millions of times per year in the USA. There's even a term for it, "defensive displays". We don't have millions of defensive shootings every year, so obviously, what's happening is people feel threatened, they produce a gun in a defensive manner, and usually, the perp flees.

    https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/myth...nt-be-accurate

    That's just reality. It doesn't change by playing word games, by conflating defensive displays with "pointing guns at people" or whatever.

    If an attacker, or multiple attackers, come at you and you have the time to point a gun at them instead of blazing away with your Mozambique drill, then I recommend it, because it's easier to defend you against "pointing a scary gun" than to defend you against multiple homicide charges.

    If the defensive display doesn't work, and you genuinely feel that you're about to be raped or kidnapped or maimed or killed, then by all means, fire that gun that you're pointing at them, assuming that the various legal conditions apply.

    But it's not true in any sense that if you point it you must shoot, not legally or tactically or in practice.
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    Default Re: What would/ should you do after pulling your gun on someone?

    Quote Originally Posted by GeneCC View Post
    Yes.

    Two clowns were trying to set a brush pile on fire near my house. I emptied a shotgun, held it inside of the room, and racked a slide near an open window. I heard an "Uh, oh" and lots of running....
    Glad that worked out for you. If they would have called your bluff, you would have been standing there with an empty shotgun.

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    Default Re: What would/ should you do after pulling your gun on someone?

    Quote Originally Posted by GeneCC View Post
    Yes.

    Two clowns were trying to set a brush pile on fire near my house. I emptied a shotgun, held it inside of the room, and racked a slide near an open window. I heard an "Uh, oh" and lots of running.
    This is not what Joe Biden recommended.
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    Default Re: What would/ should you do after pulling your gun on someone?

    Quote Originally Posted by GeneCC View Post
    If you had something Cooper said about his rules you'd post it here, Justin. You have nothing, which is why you call him a "dead guy".



    Are you worried that I might have a point? Why do you believe that your way is the best way? Nobody anywhere has the best way.

    Why aren't you noting my criticisms? Maybe you'll learn something. Maybe you'll get a training partner, buy some light air soft pistols, face masks and learn how to manage closing distance. Maybe you'll decide that port of arms really is idiotic. Maybe you'll have an air soft AD on someone and you'll be like "What did I do?"

    Maybe you'll freeze sometime.... I've frozen. I love to make mistakes in practice.
    You're the one with the burden of proof. I have his entire volume of works. You're misrepresenting his rules. You're the one afraid to learn something.

    Again, though, train how you want, no skin off my back. I'll stick to what worked in a real situation for me.
    Last edited by Justin///M; June 20th, 2018 at 05:47 AM.
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    Default Re: What would/ should you do after pulling your gun on someone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Emptymag View Post
    Can carrying with one in the chamber be worked into this too?


    I feel the 45 acp is far superior to 9mm.

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    Default Re: What would/ should you do after pulling your gun on someone?

    "Don't pull the thang out unless you plan to bang. Don't even bang unless you plan to hit some thang." Andre Benjamin

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    Default Re: What would/ should you do after pulling your gun on someone?

    Quote Originally Posted by JustinHEMI View Post
    You're the one with the burden of proof.
    His burden of proof is his misunderstanding of a modal verb.

    Some people feel more comfortable with the chamber being empty.

    And lastly, 45ACP, far superior.
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    Default Re: What would/ should you do after pulling your gun on someone?

    The following links might be useful to this discussion:

    http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/...tn=2&subsctn=0 (Aggravated Assault)

    https://lawofselfdefense.com/jury_in...-self-defense/

    https://lawofselfdefense.com/jury_in...stle-doctrine/

    FWIW, it is the Jury Instructions where the rubber meets the road, as it were.

    And for those of you who are interested in pursuing more PA State Specific information, check out the following link:

    http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=336392

    I know both attorneys who teach this class, each of whom is knowledgeable about PA's Justification Defense.

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    Default Re: What would/ should you do after pulling your gun on someone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gun View Post
    ...Some people feel more comfortable with the chamber being empty. And lastly, 45ACP, far superior.
    walking around with a Defensive handgun with an empty chamber, is like taking a car on a road trip but draining the gas tank before you leave to prevent a fire! IMHO

    the real question is why would I carry a 1911 with one in the chamber and the hammer fully cocked?
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