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  1. #11
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    Default Re: I'm not a fan of this new NRA position.

    ^^^^^
    I totally agree that Wayne has to go; he has slowly eroded our rights by giving in to the antis at every turn. Wayne refuses to take a hard line stand on anything he just gives in to the antis a little at time.
    IMHO Wayne only in it for the money
    The oracle is in. Age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill!!

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    Default Re: I'm not a fan of this new NRA position.

    It's a brilliant political/PR move.

    What everyone hears: "No guns beyond the metal detectors."

    What the NRA will tell its members that they really mean: "Metal detectors will find ALL the guns, then only the 'good guys' with guns will be allowed to pass."

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    Default Re: I'm not a fan of this new NRA position.

    As predicted (in october) right on schedule.
    Now lets see who the owner is of all these metal detecting devices.

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    Default Re: I'm not a fan of this new NRA position.

    Quote Originally Posted by eagleclaw View Post
    The problem I got is when these devices show up everywhere else including but not limited to hospitals, shopping malls, public events, hotels, more government buildings etc.
    Exactly this. This is not the way to preserve a free society.

    The teachers would not even have to be armed, necessarily. The possibility of an armed teacher is itself a deterrent. All they would need to do is change the law to repeal gun free zones in schools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gnbrotz View Post
    What the NRA will tell its members that they really mean: "Metal detectors will find ALL the guns, then only the 'good guys' with guns will be allowed to pass."
    And who is stupid enough to believe that one?

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    Default Re: I'm not a fan of this new NRA position.

    Quote Originally Posted by marinville View Post
    All they would need to do is change the law to repeal gun free zones in schools.
    Which law? Federal law ALREADY ALLOWS licensed carriers to carry in schools.

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    Default Re: I'm not a fan of this new NRA position.

    Quote Originally Posted by gnbrotz View Post
    Which law? Federal law ALREADY ALLOWS licensed carriers to carry in schools.
    Ok then, scratch that. Is there a constitutional way to block state, local, and school boards from prohibiting carry in public schools?

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    Default Re: I'm not a fan of this new NRA position.

    Quote Originally Posted by marinville View Post
    Ok then, scratch that. Is there a constitutional way to block state, local, and school boards from prohibiting carry in public schools?
    Federally? Hypothetically, it's probably possible, but IMO, it's a state's rights issue. I WOULD like to see our own state preemption expanded to included school districts. They levy and collect taxes, so they most certainly are a "government entity" as opposed to a private business/venture.

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    Default Re: I'm not a fan of this new NRA position.

    Quote Originally Posted by gnbrotz View Post
    Which law? Federal law ALREADY ALLOWS licensed carriers to carry in schools.
    Well, technically they only allow those licensed by the state in which the school resides, IIRC. In other words, no reciprocity but non-resident permits would be ok.

    Quote Originally Posted by gnbrotz View Post
    Federally? Hypothetically, it's probably possible, but IMO, it's a state's rights issue. I WOULD like to see our own state preemption expanded to included school districts. They levy and collect taxes, so they most certainly are a "government entity" as opposed to a private business/venture.
    IMHO, it is an individual right not to be controlled by any government level, whatsoever. IANAL, however. Preemption would seem to be a step in the right direction but then would imply that the state has the power to control, question, or infringe on the individual right.
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    Default Re: I'm not a fan of this new NRA position.

    Quote Originally Posted by marinville View Post
    Metal detectors. Everything is metal detectors now. What happened to eliminating gun free zones? That's what I want, the ability for good and responsible people to be armed at all times, to protect themselves and others. Metal detectors is literally the opposite of that. I already avoid places with metal detectors, because I can't get my gun in. Am I alone here? I do not like this at all. I do not want more surveillance cameras, or metal detectors, or security personal. I just want more responsible people to have the courage and also the ability to fight back. What say you?
    Our school where I taught had a rash of "false fire alarms" being pulled by students. For whatever reason we arrived at school one day to a cordon of security guards with metal detectors at each door. It was amazing what security found on the students. Mostly tobacco products, an occasional pocket knife, water pistol (big no-no these days) but not much else.

    My thought is that if somebody wanted to shoot up a school having a metal detector would simply necessitate that the operator would be the first victim. Not an effective solution in my opinion.

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