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    Default Re: FOPA and Hotel Stays

    We have active and retired Law Enforcement Officers getting arrested and hauled into court because NJ/NY/et al refuse to recognize their valid LEOSA permits.
    So I think it would be legal suicide to attempt an overnight FOPA stay in a hostile state.
    But if you want to be a test case for the courts then have at it.

    The Travel Guide advice is based on what is actually occurring on the streets right now as opposed to a theoretical understanding of the law.
    That is why I posted the Guide's practical advice instead of quoting the law.

    I think we have a responsibility here to keep the uninformed out of legal jeopardy.
    As such, I think it is unwise to recommend an overnight FOPA stay while traveling through hostile states.
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    Default Re: FOPA and Hotel Stays

    I am traveling to KS, so the only state I am worried about other than NJ, is IL but seems we are gonna stop at MS.

    Otherwise, my permits cover me AFIAK
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    Quote Originally Posted by lts1ow View Post
    I am traveling to KS, so the only state I am worried about other than NJ, is IL but seems we are gonna stop at MS.

    Otherwise, my permits cover me AFIAK
    AFIAK = As Far I As Know

    I strongly recommend buying the guide and reviewing the laws of the states you will travel through even if covered by reciprocity.
    There are differences in the laws from state to state that should always be reviewed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berncly View Post
    AFIAK = As Far I As Know

    I strongly recommend buying the guide and reviewing the laws of the states you will travel through even if covered by reciprocity.
    There are differences in the laws from state to state that should always be reviewed.
    Already bought
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    Quote Originally Posted by lts1ow View Post
    Already bought
    Well done :P
    Have a safe trip.
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    Default Re: FOPA and Hotel Stays

    From my reading, once I get past IL, MO and KS are good states.

    So check in to hotel in MO and from then on, pistol can stay on hip till its time to return.

    Cool stuff.
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    Default Re: FOPA and Hotel Stays

    Quote Originally Posted by lts1ow View Post
    From my reading, once I get past IL, MO and KS are good states.

    So check in to hotel in MO and from then on, pistol can stay on hip till its time to return.

    Cool stuff.
    In the main points listed for each state it will tell you if you are required to notify an officer during a traffic stop.
    That is different from state to state, and you don't want to forget and then end up having a problem.
    Some states require notification upon first contact.
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    Default Re: FOPA and Hotel Stays

    And the million dollar question, does this travel (multiple state crossing) qualify me for FOPA and legally returning to NJ?

    I know if I go to and from PA only, I would make sure to leave from a exempted place.
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    Default Re: FOPA and Hotel Stays

    Quote Originally Posted by 41 Redhawk View Post
    Iffin I were you and leaving from Washington I would travel down 79, 19, 77 into NC and then, if heading east, hit 74E to 40 (I'm guessing a beach destination). I go to Charlotte at least 4 times a year and will be going to Myrtle Beach shortly and will travel that way.

    Safe Travels
    Yes beach trip. Yea I’m still trying to plan it out so
    I don’t have to get on 68 through Maryland.

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    Default Re: FOPA and Hotel Stays

    Quote Originally Posted by lts1ow View Post
    And the million dollar question, does this travel (multiple state crossing) qualify me for FOPA and legally returning to NJ?

    I know if I go to and from PA only, I would make sure to leave from a exempted place.
    If your origin or terminus is NJ then it is possible that FOPA would not attach unless you are engaged in one of the exempted professions/activities as specified in NJSA 2C:39-6.

    What is the purpose of your trip?

    Also see:

    FOPA transport protection in states of origin/destination - UNLIKELY [A Report]
    IANAL

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