Reciprocity Agreement with Virginia terminated

[mikelets456]

This concept of background checks being a reasonable infringement for carrying concealed makes no logical sense whatsoever.

If a criminal is prone to carrying a firearm even though a prohibited person, there is no law that will negate them from doing so. Thus, they will only face justice if they use that firearm and get caught ex post facto, during a crime, or for another stop/detention where the firearm is discovered and their prohibited status becomes known. Then, and only then, due process will take care of them. No law can pre-empt that.

Background checks for the law abiding will do nothing either as they are allowed by default. They should not be required to prove their innocence before exercising a basic right before-hand or, in other words, due process (of an alleged crime). Again, this does nothing in protecting or guarding social safety. When one seriously considers the option of background checks for carrying, it doesn't help with perceptions of greater safety gained when looking beyond the skin-deep reaction for its justification.

The only possible pro for a background check is to ensure the applicant is not prohibited for an unknown reason. But this could be cleared up by checking any questionable dealings with a lawyer specializing in gun law, which would be advisable for everyone who is not 'pure as the driven snow'.

I raise this argument in regards to conceal carry or LTCF purposes only. An argument could be made for retail sales or sales in general though I am personally against that as well. We have due process to guard liberty. So let's rely on it rather than passing a myriad of useless laws (or to strike down reciprocity) to make us feel good or to entrap the innocent.

Liberals cry---"we need back ground checks and training for people to carry"!!!

Okay---Virginians are background checked and require training and that's still not enough....Tells you their real intentions, they don't want anyone carrying or owning guns. They'll chip away, chip away and chip away. This has to stop!

I wonder if this is a coupe to get the legislature in VA to "change the rules" so VA does not allow every licensed carrier to carry in VA.

[Sigfan22]

This is so confusing and makes no sense

So to sum this crap up PA residents with permits can still happily Go to VA but VA resident has to get a VA permit then travel to PA to apply for a Non-resident to be legal

[SevenMilePete]

This is so confusing and makes no sense

So to sum this crap up PA residents with permits can still happily Go to VA but VA resident has to get a VA permit then travel to PA to apply for a Non-resident to be legal

Yes, and furthermore Va. honors any state's permit, even NJ, NY, IL, MD, even though they don't honor Va. So this affects Va. residents with Va. resident permits, but not Pa. residents. It appears that Va. has essentially instituted constitutional carry, but with a permit from any state, resident or non-resident. From the USACARRY map. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. IANAL

[father-of-five]

Somehow Pennsylvania keeps electing antigun democrat attorney generals who have the power to eliminate reciprocity agreements and make it diffuclt for some people to get carry permits. Constitutional carry would nullify the ag quite nicely on this issue.