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    Default Re: Question about my AR pistol build

    Quote Originally Posted by Slowassmiata View Post
    I though to define a pistol, barrel must be less then 16" , nothing to do with the stock , I might be wrong.. I don't have a stock on it.

    Pistol is defined as a firearm that is designed to be held and fired with 1 hand regardless of length. 1 inch or 1 mile - it doesn't matter.

    To PA's UFA for coverage under a LTCF - <15" barreled pistol/revolver or overall length less than 26" is a "firearm"(PA definition).

    The addition of a shoulder stock transforms the gun into a rifle or short-barreled rifle, respective of barrel and overall lengths. ....the shoulder stock is the determining feature.
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    Default Re: Question about my AR pistol build

    As long as we're on the subject...
    Can you drop a binary trigger in your AR pistol or is that ultra-evil?
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    They are ultra evil, but for the moment they are legal seeing very expensive ($450) ... I wouldn't count on them being legal for long though.
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    Default Re: Question about my AR pistol build

    Great!! Thanks for the inputs everyone!! Had many AR rifle over the years and this is my first pistol buold, I know it's kinda lame, but I just wanna make this pistol "tacticool" lol without doing anything illegal, looks like I'm safe so far,this will only be my range toy.

    No collapsible butt stock, just a "brace" , most concerned is my tacticool fake can but I got my answer here, thanks again!!

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    Default Re: Question about my AR pistol build

    If your AR pistol has an overall length less then 26 inches not counting the muzzle device, don't put a vertical foregrip on it.
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    Default Re: Question about my AR pistol build

    Quote Originally Posted by :-) View Post
    If your AR pistol has an overall length less then 26 inches not counting the muzzle device, don't put a vertical foregrip on it.
    I don't recall getting an answer to this, and I've asked several times after someone has posted about this "26" measurement"...

    Where do you measure from?

    Seriously? The Shockwave Blade brace on my pistol is adjustable for length... how does one legally measure it?
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    Default Re: Question about my AR pistol build

    Quote Originally Posted by Emptymag View Post
    I don't recall getting an answer to this, and I've asked several times after someone has posted about this "26" measurement"...

    Where do you measure from?

    Seriously? The Shockwave Blade brace on my pistol is adjustable for length... how does one legally measure it?
    Pistols are designed to be used with one hand. Adding a verical foregrip redesigns it to be two handed. Two handed firearms are rifles and shotguns. Your skating between the definitions with the over 26 total length. It's too long to conceal so it isnt a handgun no stock not rifle and nobody prohibited it so your in the sweet spot just like open carry.

    Warning I am not a lawyer. This isn't legal advise. This is how I understand it. I have been wrong before. I'm probibly wrong now.

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    Default Re: Question about my AR pistol build

    Quote Originally Posted by Emptymag View Post
    I don't recall getting an answer to this, and I've asked several times after someone has posted about this "26" measurement"...

    Where do you measure from?

    Seriously? The Shockwave Blade brace on my pistol is adjustable for length... how does one legally measure it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Gunsnwater View Post
    Pistols are designed to be used with one hand. Adding a verical foregrip redesigns it to be two handed. Two handed firearms are rifles and shotguns. Your skating between the definitions with the over 26 total length. It's too long to conceal so it isnt a handgun no stock not rifle and nobody prohibited it so your in the sweet spot just like open carry.

    Warning I am not a lawyer. This isn't legal advise. This is how I understand it. I have been wrong before. I'm probibly wrong now.
    I think Gunsnwater nailed it, but I share his uncertainty in my understanding as well.

    When making the SBR the ATF dictates that it be measured with the stock fully *extended. I would assume the same would apply with your adjustable brace? (Beware that word assume)
    Last edited by ExFlyinguy; April 12th, 2018 at 03:07 PM. Reason: *corrected measurement procedure

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    Default Re: Question about my AR pistol build

    Shooting one handed or "grips" have no bearing on how one determines legal length.

    That's all I want to know.
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    Default Re: Question about my AR pistol build

    Quote Originally Posted by Emptymag View Post
    Shooting one handed or "grips" have no bearing on how one determines legal length.

    That's all I want to know.

    Overall length is measured from the end of the arm stabilizing brace to the end of the barrel, be sure that the weapon is level, a large framing square can help with this.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/NFA/comment..._pistols_warm/


    Adam at the Legal Brief at the 3:00 mark talks about measuring with a stock FWIW -*ETA: this totally defies my logic. Seems to me if the concern of the law is conceal-ability then you would want to know the overall length in it's shortest configuration???? I don't get it.

    Last edited by ExFlyinguy; April 12th, 2018 at 03:16 PM.

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