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    Default Re: and just to think ......

    So you’re voting for a democrat then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NathanB View Post
    So you’re voting for a democrat then.
    Youre voting trump , so, arent you too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vic2367 View Post
    whatever
    im voting libertarian
    all those other assholes can kiss my ass
    the NRA too
    I could support a libertarian, but they’re unelectable to POTUS, just like Bernie Sanders on the other side.


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    Quote Originally Posted by vic2367 View Post
    a few years ago ,when obama was president we had
    many good pro gun TV shows on air to watch
    constitutional carry had big momentum
    constitutional carry had more support
    looked like America was on our side

    now we have
    a conservative president
    no more pro gun show on TV
    a republican controlled congress who stabs us right in our face , forget our backs
    constitutional carry has NO support
    America isn't on our side anymore looks like .

    looks like we need to clean house in both houses, what a shame on all these RINOs
    So, how many election cycles do you think it will take to make a difference? I don't think we have that much time.
    Lower your expectations to zero and you'll never be disappointed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlnzz1 View Post
    So, how many election cycles do you think it will take to make a difference? I don't think we have that much time.
    As many as it takes. Meanwhile we'll keep on encouraging people to go shooting.

    We should all try to take at least one person shooting this year. They may have shot in the past or never touched a firearm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakebrake View Post
    Youre voting trump , so, arent you too?
    Potentially but right now we haven’t lost any rights. If Hillary had won we’d be getting fucked over. The libertarian movement sounds great until you realize they aren’t going to win any time soon. Since most who vote that way lean more right than left you’re just taking votes away that are needed elsewhere

    Being principled gets you nowhere if you lose because of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbmania View Post
    I was pro-Trump. No more. And I'm voting against every single incumbent Republican I can. If we can't primary them out, then I vote libertarian. It's about punishing those in power rather than hoping for improvement. . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by NathanB View Post
    Potentially but right now we haven’t lost any rights. If Hillary had won we’d be getting fucked over. The libertarian movement sounds great until you realize they aren’t going to win any time soon. Since most who vote that way lean more right than left you’re just taking votes away that are needed elsewhere

    Being principled gets you nowhere if you lose because of it
    so, jeff sessions isn't looking into the bump stock ban?

    and, florida, vermont, et al aren't enacting stupid gun control laws that we are all waiting for governer cupcake to enact here after his re-election?


    so, we aren't getting more shit rammed through than when chim chim was squatting at 1600 Pennsylvania?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sbmania View Post
    I was pro-Trump. No more. And I'm voting against every single incumbent Republican I can. If we can't primary them out, then I vote libertarian. It's about punishing those in power rather than hoping for improvement. This will not get better and there will be no improvement until the Republican party feels some pain in the voting booth.
    I'm not renewing my nra membership either. They have not been as strong on national reciprocity as they should have been and they did not use their political influence to force politicians to vote on it or to call out those politicians who did not wholeheartedly support it.
    To tell the truth, I'm close to my end with the political process. It's just kabuki theater put on for our entertainment, but with little real difference between the parties.
    We have no Saviors in this world. We have representatives. Trump talked a good game. Trump got bought.

    We still have other options.

    I can understand your discouragement. This is the State of mind that the elites want all of us to have, to give up, to quit. Elites rig the political game, but the political game is not the only game. There is also the economic game, property and economic power.

    There are over 100,000,000 gun owners. In most nations of the world they would be criminals. Here they are tolerated because there too many of them, because they have economic power and because they vote. Gun owners matter.


    We have the NRA. The NRA is not perfect, sometimes it's pretty bad. We have other gun rights organizations that threaten the supremacy of the NRA. The GOA and other allied organizations helps keep the NRA honest, as honest as possible.

    You are angry at the NRA about national reciprocity? What happened last year - the Los Vegas mass shootings. Why did they happen? The FBI still doesn't know. This suggests that it was a terrorist blow back, revenge for the US operations in the Middle East. The Pulse Nightclub shooting was revenge for Drone strikes. The shooter said so to the Orlando PD.

    If terrorists are shooting us why is that the NRA's fault? Still, how can the NRA get this kind of good law, National Reciprocity, through a Congress that is afraid of public backlash? If we cannot give the NRA a good Congress how can they do their job for us? If we do not support the NRA and other organizations, if we do not vote, if we do not take people to the range, how can we make a change?


    We can fight. We can make these organizations work for us.


    Look at this piece of work....



    Communism failed everywhere it was tried. Cuba is a socialist shit hole. She believes. She believes enough to taint her message by wearing an Army shirt with the Cuban flag on her right sleeve. Most people don't take communism seriously in this country. She believes any how. If she can believe in a loser ideology like Communism why can't we believe in our rights, which are very real and very effective? Communism is dead, we are alive.

    Today's kids wouldn't last a week in a Socialist nation. Kids don't run around with Smart Phones in Cuba and North Korea. They work for peanuts, pay huge prices for food and yearn to be free. These kids who agree with opinion polls don't know what they're talking about so why bother with them? Millennials have horrible voting percentages.

    We are vastly more powerful than her kind. We can fight. We can win.

    We need to enlist our professional representatives. We need to vote.

    We need to take people to the range, take them hunting, take them shooting. So that they know the truth of things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NathanB View Post
    Potentially but right now we haven’t lost any rights. If Hillary had won we’d be getting fucked over. The libertarian movement sounds great until you realize they aren’t going to win any time soon. Since most who vote that way lean more right than left you’re just taking votes away that are needed elsewhere

    Being principled gets you nowhere if you lose because of it
    Voting for Libertarian is better than staying home. Over sixty million registered voters didn't pick a President in 2016. "Nobody for President" got more popular votes than Trump.

    If the Libertarians had picked a sober candidate and that candidate had received even ten million popular votes the Establishment would have noticed. Gov. Johnson got forty percent of that much, which is amazing considering how poorly he came across and how well Weld sabotaged their campaign.


    I supported Saccone. I gave him money. I did not know that the Libertarians had a candidate, one that received 1,000 votes. Saccone lost by 1,000 votes. Nope, I ain't going there.... the Libertarian did not cost Sacconne his seat.

    A lot more folks stayed home than voted in District 18. According to the NYT, it's 230,000 people who bothered to vote. (see https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-election.html ). According to Wikipedia the 18th district had a population of about 700,000 people in 2000. Assuming that three quarters of them were eligible voters, which is probably accurate, we're talking 525,000 voters. Which means about fifty six percent of probable voters stayed home.

    If ten percent of the half who stayed home had voted Libertarian this would have at least gotten some attention at GOP headquarters. The Democrats would have realized that gun control was a foolish idea.

    We have to get those quitters a reason to vote. Here is one - take them to the range so that they have something to lose. A new hobby, a sense of empowerment, a sense of dignity and worth. Cause now they can defend themselves.

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