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February 7th, 2018, 10:36 PM #91
Re: PA state trooper disassenbled my gun during traffic stop
Does anyone remember the story here on PAFOA a couple years ago of someone who was told to hold their hand out 'like they were getting candy' as the officer thumbed all the rounds out of their mag?
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February 7th, 2018, 11:26 PM #92
Re: PA state trooper disassenbled my gun during traffic stop
The mindset is that by the time the person reassembles and loads the firearm, the Trooper(s) are gone. It's a much more likely scenario where the Trooper has issued a citation or two. We've all seen the video of people raging over a citation. A small minority of those people, if handed a gun, would probably shoot due to their anger. Not condoning it, but I know the attitude that begets it. A much less intrusive method is to have the driver lock the firearm in the trunk during the stop.
"A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself"
"He created the game, played the game, and lost the game.... All under his own terms, by his own doing." JW34
"Tolerance is the lube that helps slip the dildo of dysfunction into the ass of a civilized society." Plato
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February 7th, 2018, 11:29 PM #93
Re: PA state trooper disassenbled my gun during traffic stop
"A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself"
"He created the game, played the game, and lost the game.... All under his own terms, by his own doing." JW34
"Tolerance is the lube that helps slip the dildo of dysfunction into the ass of a civilized society." Plato
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February 7th, 2018, 11:42 PM #94
Re: PA state trooper disassenbled my gun during traffic stop
There was a state trooper shot in Northampton county after a stop not too long ago, but as I recall he grabbed the gun out of the car, and the cop did not know about it until the shooting started.
The corporal began to drive away, when the driver flagged him down to talk about the citation, state police said. During the conversation, the corporal came to believe the driver was under the influence and called for backup. The suspect failed a field sobriety test, and when the trooper went to arrest him for suspected DUI, a "knock-down, drag-out fight" ensued, D'Ambrosio said. "It got very, very violent. It was a very violent fight," D'Ambrosio said, adding he watched video of the altercation. The suspect, who was not named by police, freed himself, grabbed a gun from his car and opened fire on the troopers, D'Ambrosio said. The troopers returned fire; the wounded trooper suffered three gunshot wounds while the driver was struck multiple times.
http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/nort...or_his_li.html
with more here: http://topics.lehighvalleylive.com/t...eld%20townshipLast edited by gghbi; February 7th, 2018 at 11:46 PM.
Illegitimus non carborundum est
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February 7th, 2018, 11:57 PM #95
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February 8th, 2018, 12:03 AM #96
Re: PA state trooper disassenbled my gun during traffic stop
I've tried and tried to come up with a 'reasonable compromise' on this.
I -do- understand cops who just want to be sure they get home alive that night. I -do- get they don't know I'm not some psycho. I -do- understand that for all I know some nutjob pulled on them 3 days ago and they're strung out and paranoid.
OTOH, I don't know that THEY aren't some ego-driven "respect my authori-tay" psycho. I don't know if they're one of those 'threatened' by not being the only armed person in the encounter. Yeah, maybe they're just a guy who doesn't want to get shot tonight. But I don't know that any more than they know if I'm a nutbag ready to start blazing away.
In the end it comes down to this. If a cop wants to "hold" my firearm "for safety" my gut reaction remains "Okay... you first". That they expect ME to give up my firearm while they retain theirs is a fundamental imbalance, and a fundamental violation of my -right- to be armed.
I understand those who say "it's not such a big deal and all was well in the end". I understand those who suggest the cop was just trying to keep himself safe in a wild world full of whackos.
But in the end, it's real simple. I have a right to be armed. You (cop) do not have the right to disarm me. Period. If you don't feel safe because I'm armed... Take down my plate, drive away and pursue me through other channels.
I think it's BS and the OP needs to give 'em hell.DGAF
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February 8th, 2018, 12:07 AM #97
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February 8th, 2018, 12:34 AM #98
Re: PA state trooper disassenbled my gun during traffic stop
I remember reading it. I also remember commenting that either one of my spare mags could be loaded into place before I took the time to refill the first one.
I'm beginning to think that a lot of cops need to wear neckties with their uniforms
To keep their foreskins from riding up...
Note:
For those who don't get the subtle phrasing, one of my inner voices is screaming "DICKHEADS!!" so loudly I'm finding it hard to concentrate.
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February 8th, 2018, 12:36 AM #99
Re: PA state trooper disassenbled my gun during traffic stop
Yes, he shouldn't have given consent.
Yes, he should have exercised his right to remain silent.
But let's be reality-based for a sec...
Most normal folks are a bit initimidated by LEO. Most folks are inclined to comply. Most folks have been inculcated into a culture of 'do what the cops say'.
I think it is MORE incumbent on LEO to know and abide by the law than your average joe. I think they have a -higher- threshold of knowing the law, abiding by the law, and enforcing the law with reason and balance than does 'average motorist' to know chapter and verse of the vehicle and criminal code.
Bottom line, we can talk about what the motorist -should- have done 'til the cows come home, and that's great.
But what the cop -should- have done is more critical. The cop polices professionally. The motorist (unless maybe a commercial driver) isn't doing it professionally but ancillary to their job, life, profession, etc.
There is a greater incumbency on the cop to know and do his job than on the driver to 'exercise his privilege' in full and complete awareness of every little nuance of the law.
To presume a Law Enforcement Officer has at least a reasonable familiarity with relevant codes, regulations and laws is ... reasonable.
But the state's 'presumption' that a driver is fully aware and informed of a complex, arcane and often vague set of complex codes, regulations and laws is unreasonable and tantamount to tyranny, IMHO. It's a scale tipped to the advantage of the state vs. the individual, unfairly so.
Bottom line: it's ego-pleasin' to say "sorry, you gave consent, sucks for you." It lets us mount our high-horse a bit to say "ha ha, you should have shut up".
But let's be real ladies. The truth here is the real 'crime' going on is LEO using folks' ignorance against them. Let's maybe unite in saying a big "F You No!" to that, instead of counting coup on each other with some neener-neener 'shoulda said no and shut up'.
OF COURSE he should have said "no" and then shut up.
But let he who is without sin cast the first stone... I know I can't 'throw' on that basis.
None of us is perfect. MOST of us have probably not fully stood for our rights when encountering LEO. It's easy to say, harder to do.DGAF
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February 8th, 2018, 12:46 AM #100
Re: PA state trooper disassenbled my gun during traffic stop
Life has a melody. Not great, not terrible.
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