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February 8th, 2018, 01:29 PM #121
Re: PA state trooper disassenbled my gun during traffic stop
To answer a few questions...this absolutely DID happen to me, It was about 9:15 at night and in a previous post somebody thought it was odd for the state police to do a traffic stop and I agree, it was odd because of the line of questioning the trooper who approached me asked.My Feedback - http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.ph...ight=stainless
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February 8th, 2018, 01:31 PM #122
Re: PA state trooper disassenbled my gun during traffic stop
My Feedback - http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.ph...ight=stainless
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February 8th, 2018, 01:44 PM #123
Re: PA state trooper disassenbled my gun during traffic stop
They feel the need to do so because law abiding compliant citizens sometimes become non compliant as soon as you give them their gun back and they will shoot an officer as they walk away
If that's the case, officers need to take a wheel off a car and hand you the lug nuts too; you know, "for officer safety", or something like that. I'm sure there's been an officer somewhere that was run over too...
It's disappointing that an organization that is supposed to serve the public has become one that shows such distrust for the public they serve.Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.
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February 8th, 2018, 01:48 PM #124
Re: PA state trooper disassenbled my gun during traffic stop
Rules are written in the stone,
Break the rules and you get no bones,
all you get is ridicule, laughter,
and a trip to the house of pain.
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February 8th, 2018, 01:48 PM #125
Re: PA state trooper disassenbled my gun during traffic stop
It's pretty simple and numerous comments have been made, but not informing is not lying. It's an LEO's job to catch bad guys and once you start answering questions like "Have you stopped anywhere else tonight" or such nonsense, you are opening yourself up. Have your license, registration, and insurance ready when they walk up to your car, politely say "I will be more then happy to answer your questions once my attorney is present" and stick with the plan... sure, your stop will be longer then the normal stop (I have had several stops last 45+ minutes), but at the end, I always drive away safely with my rights still intact. Don't be confrontational, don't be rude or mouthy, keep both hands on the steering wheel and simply answer EVERY question they asked with "I will be more then happy to answer your questions once my attorney is present" or "No" when he asked if they can search anything. Of course they will always say, "I'll just get a warrent" and my reply is always "Good luck with that".
Let's practice:
LEO: Do you have any illegal items in your car?"
DRIVER: I will be more than happy to answer your questions once my attorney is present
LEO: Can I search your car?
DRIVER: No
LEO: Where are you heading:
DRIVER: I will be more then happy to answer your questions once my attorney is present
LEO: I see you have a license to carry.. do you have a weapon in your car?
DRIVER: I will be more than happy to answer your questions once my attorney is present
LEO: If you don't start answering my questions, you are going to jail?
DRIVER: I will be more than happy to answer your questions once my attorney is present
LEO: What are you doing in this neighborhood (actually been asked this)
DRIVER: I will be more than happy to answer your questions once my attorney is present
LEO: You are being very defensive, what are you trying to hide
DRIVER: I will be more than happy to answer your questions once my attorney is present
LEO: You are not under arrest, but you will be if you don't answer my questions: (I been told this too)
DRIVER: I will be more than happy to answer your questions once my attorney is present
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February 8th, 2018, 01:57 PM #126
Re: PA state trooper disassenbled my gun during traffic stop
I agree with what was mentioned before, that if you want to pursue this in a serious manner then it must be in writing.
Personally, if it was me and I wanted to follow this up, I would not approach it alone.
I would talk to an attorney that specializes in gun rights, and I would draft a letter for the attorney to rewrite on his own letterhead.
This would provide me some protection, it would make the department take it seriously, and it would make any officer think twice about retaliation if that is a concern.
I tend to side with officers in many somewhat questionable situations, but this incident seems excessive and deserving of a response.
My end goal would not be directed at a particular officer, but rather to encourage a departmental wide or statewide protocol regarding this issue in the future.
Accomplishing this goal would require that it goes above me or the officer involved.
A gun rights attorney that shared my concerns and goals may be willing to share his letterhead free of charge in order to effect positive change statewide.
This effort would probably require all correspondence to be forwarded to politicians that would be sympathetic to causing a statewide policy change.
Having a gun rights attorney correspond with the politicians would also help the matter to be taken seriously.How can you have any cookies if you don't drink your milk?
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February 8th, 2018, 02:10 PM #127Active Member
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Re: PA state trooper disassenbled my gun during traffic stop
Someone touched on this earlier in the thread and I dont know if this is still a problem but I remember years ago it definitely was; where the police would take your gun and if it wasnt in there sales registry then you didnt get your property back until you showed paperwork that you owned the gun.
Does anyone know the legality of declining them taking your gun? I dont think they should be asking for it in the first place but I thought it wasnt really a choice if they did actually do so. A long long time ago I did have something similar where the cop took my gun and he had already left before I realized this but when he gave my gun back (bullets separate and loose in a bag) I found afterwards he kept a lot of the bullets. I had a mix of different type and apparently he gave back only the hollow point bullets. Just to add all that I had were legal
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February 8th, 2018, 02:23 PM #128
Re: PA state trooper disassenbled my gun during traffic stop
How can you have any cookies if you don't drink your milk?
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February 8th, 2018, 02:25 PM #129Super Member
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February 8th, 2018, 02:27 PM #130
Re: PA state trooper disassenbled my gun during traffic stop
one other thing I would recommend, take a lesson from the prosecutor's handbook, and include things that are marginal but also reasonable, such as "Attempted suppression of rights under color of law. By harassing lawful carriers the individual is discouraging the exercise of the right to bear arms, and violating the PA Constitution as well."
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