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    Default Re: How early can I reapply for my CC permit before it expires.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gun View Post
    Doesn't the presumption of innocence apply in the court room, and not with the arresting officer?
    Probable cause is required for an *arrest*. "Reasonable suspicion" is required to make a 'Terry stop'.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_stop

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    Default Re: How early can I reapply for my CC permit before it expires.

    Quote Originally Posted by gnbrotz View Post
    Have you heard of "presumed innocence"? The officer can't just assume you are now prohibited or require you to prove it just because he "wants to be sure". Just like they can't randomly pull you over "just to be sure" you have a driver's license. There has to be probable cause of some violation (as I mentioned before).
    Quote Originally Posted by Gun View Post
    Doesn't the presumption of innocence apply in the court room, and not with the arresting officer?
    Presumed innocent applies to the officer unless there is probable cause. The difficulty is in what they decide is 'probable cause'
    Illegitimus non carborundum est

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    Default Re: How early can I reapply for my CC permit before it expires.

    I don't see how these arguments apply to the statute.

    If one is asked lawfully to provide an LTCF at the time of the encounter, and the LTCF is expired, at the time less than six months, how does the officer presume eligibility, which is part of the statute?
    Quote Originally Posted by cdi View Post
    A drop leg holster? A big clue indicating an Operator operating operationally, of course.

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    Default Re: How early can I reapply for my CC permit before it expires.

    Quote Originally Posted by gghbi View Post
    Info: http://www.luzernecounty.org/county/...ermit_division
    Form: http://www.luzernecounty.org/uploads...0(10-2012).pdf
    Form is good state wide. Need to print on both sides of the paper for some locations.
    Yeah that is an application. You re apply not renew.
    Don't be an ass.

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    Default Re: How early can I reapply for my CC permit before it expires.

    Here is a question: given how CHEAP an LTCF is to renew, is it REALLY WORTH saving a few dollars to stretch out your renewal to the absolute maximum and risk having some huge complications later (whether they're justified or not), vs just renewing a little early and considering that "lost time" you paid for just the price of piece of mind?

    I mean, damn. How cheap can you be? We're talking about a FEW DOLLARS at most here.

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    Default Re: How early can I reapply for my CC permit before it expires.

    Quote Originally Posted by free View Post
    Here is a question: given how CHEAP an LTCF is to renew, is it REALLY WORTH saving a few dollars to stretch out your renewal to the absolute maximum and risk having some huge complications later (whether they're justified or not), vs just renewing a little early and considering that "lost time" you paid for just the price of piece of mind?

    I mean, damn. How cheap can you be? We're talking about a FEW DOLLARS at most here.
    There is certainly no shortage of frugal members on this site.
    LOL

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    Default Re: How early can I reapply for my CC permit before it expires.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gun View Post
    I don't see how these arguments apply to the statute.

    If one is asked lawfully to provide an LTCF at the time of the encounter, and the LTCF is expired, at the time less than six months, how does the officer presume eligibility, which is part of the statute?
    He can't presume *ineligibility*, thus the default is pretty clear (at least to me). This applies across the board, it's not required to be spelled out in any given statute. It's one of the checks and balances built into "the system".

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    Default Re: How early can I reapply for my CC permit before it expires.

    Quote Originally Posted by gnbrotz View Post
    He can't presume *ineligibility*, thus the default is pretty clear (at least to me). This applies across the board, it's not required to be spelled out in any given statute. It's one of the checks and balances built into "the system".

    So if one were found in violation of PA 6106, should the officer charge this person with a felony or a misdemeanor?
    Quote Originally Posted by cdi View Post
    A drop leg holster? A big clue indicating an Operator operating operationally, of course.

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    Default Re: How early can I reapply for my CC permit before it expires.

    Depends if they are (were) eligible to be licensed in the first place.

    Never had one, or expired more than six months, but legally eligible and carrying without anyway when required = M1.

    Not legally eligible to begin with = F3.

    Either way, a conviction will strip your rights.

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    Default Re: How early can I reapply for my CC permit before it expires.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gun View Post
    If one is asked lawfully to provide an LTCF at the time of the encounter, and the LTCF is expired, at the time less than six months, how does the officer presume eligibility, which is part of the statute?
    I see it like this, He doesn't presume eligibility, he determines whether or not he wants to charge you. Just like an officer can choose not to charge you for a moving violation. If he decides to charge you Title 18, Section 6106 b(12) provides a defense against the offence defined in 6106. Firearms not to be carried without a license which would be a misdemeanor of the first degree.
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