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    Default Re: Proposed Second Buck Tag: Admitted Money Grab

    Quote Originally Posted by Williamsmith View Post
    Not to butt in here, but 25% of the pie ....@26.5 million is federal reimbursement aid.....
    So...........you're arguing for (or in agreement with) a large central government that borrows money on behalf of the nation's taxpayers to fund conservation in this particular state. That is a fully unquestionable role of the Federal government based on COTUS, and you agree with it. Is that the message here?

    If so....would you agree that since the nation's taxpayers are funding 25% of PGC's budget, that out of state license fees should be priced accordingly? In other words, capped at a 3 to 1 ratio over what residents pay?

    and if you review the US Fish and Wildlife Agency data on all states of the Union you will find PA to be a leader in license sales and it has been consistent for the last half century. It never varies much from 2.5 million licenses sold.
    And that's fine. But your post doesn't really address the one you are responding to. Do you think the PGC should be barred from using the resources under its control to self-fund through leasing/royalty programs - and if so, would you object to increasing "allowed" fees as necessary to cover the shortage or cutting services to match the funding available?
    Last edited by free; January 5th, 2018 at 03:27 PM.

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    Default Re: Proposed Second Buck Tag: Admitted Money Grab

    Quote Originally Posted by free View Post
    How do you propose it fund itself?
    Free, they have almost a $9,000,000 surplus on a $108,000,000 budget...common man.
    It's another bloated agency.

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    Default Re: Proposed Second Buck Tag: Admitted Money Grab

    Quote Originally Posted by P89 View Post
    Free, they have almost a $9,000,000 surplus on a $108,000,000 budget...common man. It's another bloated agency.
    OK (:

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    Default Re: Proposed Second Buck Tag: Admitted Money Grab

    Quote Originally Posted by free View Post
    So...........you're arguing for (or in agreement with) a large central government that borrows money on behalf of the nation's taxpayers to fund conservation in this particular state. That is a fully unquestionable role of the Federal government based on COTUS, and you agree with it. Is that the message here?

    If so....would you agree that since the nation's taxpayers are funding 25% of PGC's budget, that out of state license fees should be priced accordingly? In other words, capped at a 3 to 1 ratio over what residents pay?

    And that's fine. But your post doesn't really address the one you are responding to. Do you think the PGC should be barred from using the resources under its control to self-fund through leasing/royalty programs - and if so, would you object to increasing "allowed" fees as necessary to cover the shortage or cutting services to match the funding available?
    The issue of funding by the Federal Government is only of concern to the state because they rely so heavily on it and have restrictions placed on the use of that money and documentation. Refer to the Pittman-Robertson Act of 1937 and the Dingell-Johnson Act of 1950.

    I favor a very unpopular solution for the administrations of both the Game Commission and the Fish Commission, and that is a merger of both agencies.

    Pennsylvania is the only state in the union that has separate agencies, and they have redundant and therefore inefficient bureaucracies experiencing similar shortages of funding. I believe that the state government ought to maximize what sportsmen get for their dollar before they ask them to pay more. A merger would demonstrate a good faith effort to meet that obligation to the very sportsmen who foot the bill.

    It would reduce personnel costs, maximize the use of space and eliminate maintenance costs on administrative buildings, warehouses, field operations buildings and training centers. It would reduce excess vehicle costs by consolidation, create a fleet reduction opportunity that would be beneficial at purchasing and maintenance expenses. It would eliminate information technology duplication and dispatch operations. Create one publication out of two and in general eliminate unnecessary duplication across the board.

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    Default Re: Proposed Second Buck Tag: Admitted Money Grab

    Quote Originally Posted by P89 View Post
    Let's look at PGC's 2016 budget:
    http://www.pgc.pa.gov/InformationRes...e%20Report.pdf

    $108,306,212 in REVENUE alone.
    $99,456,419 in expenditure (and most of those are a joke...43 mil in habitat management, HA!)

    That's $8,849,793 surplus and the greedy fuckers want more.
    Yet in the mean time they closed the pheasant farms.
    And based on the handy graph to the right of that last year they broke even and lost the money two years prior. Apparently they had some good investments this year on top of cutting the pheasant farms. This lead to the $8 million surplus, however based on the forecast whatever made that difference this year won't be around next year. Along with forecasted downturn in revenue they are also predicting an increase in operating costs.

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    Default Re: Proposed Second Buck Tag: Admitted Money Grab

    Quote Originally Posted by streaker69 View Post
    Honest question: With the costs of licensing, gear, butchering and other such sundries, is the amount of meat you get from a dear actually cost effective?
    Hmmmmm. Freudian slip there? Dear?

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    Default Re: Proposed Second Buck Tag: Admitted Money Grab

    Quote Originally Posted by Williamsmith View Post
    The issue of funding by the Federal Government is only of concern to the state because they rely so heavily on it and have restrictions placed on the use of that money and documentation.
    Didn't answer my question (:

    I favor a very unpopular solution for the administrations of both the Game Commission and the Fish Commission, and that is a merger of both agencies....
    Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. I have no disagreement. Good luck.

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