More rounds vs. more power (e.g. 9mm vs. .45)

**Krichardson** · January 2nd, 2018, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by Bang

If I had to shoot a threat, I would not be shooting to kill. I would be shooting to stop the threat as immediately as possible. If death occurs, whether instantly or eventually, it is a collateral outcome to my intent.

Well said.That seems to be the way that Philly cops go about it...keep firing until the threat is down.

**sota** · January 2nd, 2018, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Bang

If I had to shoot a threat, I would not be shooting to kill. I would be shooting to stop the threat as immediately as possible. If death occurs, whether instantly or eventually, it is a collateral outcome to my intent.

As well as the choices the assailant made to get to that point.

**Yoder** · January 2nd, 2018, 12:11 PM

This whole argument is why I think a .40 or 10mm is the best choice. More firepower and more rounds.

**free** · January 2nd, 2018, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by JustinHEMI

FPNI

Originally Posted by ExFlyinguy

ISHTUGTDP (I shouldn't have to use google to decipher posts)

I only know because he explained it last time he used it on one of my posts...but even so...I had to pause and retrieve that snippet of info (:

**Carson** · January 2nd, 2018, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Bang

If I had to shoot a threat, I would not be shooting to kill. I would be shooting to stop the threat as immediately as possible. If death occurs, whether instantly or eventually, it is a collateral outcome to my intent.

Exactly. And this is the best legal explanation regarding using firearms for self defense.

**Carson** · January 2nd, 2018, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Yoder

This whole argument is why I think a .40 or 10mm is the best choice. More firepower and more rounds.

I agree. That is why I carry a Glock 22.

**Bang** · January 2nd, 2018, 12:35 PM

I've posted this before...appx 1970 while attending a seminar at Case Western Reserve, the Cuyahoga County (Cleveland) Medical Examiner stated emphtically that he would like to see the .22 cartridge outlawed. He went on to describe the medical problems encountered in the OR because the little bullet just goes nuts inside the human body, creating damage that is difficult to find. He said sometimes exit wounds were difficult to find. His point was, they lost people because the trauma was overwhelming.

It is doubtful that shots with a .22 very often immediately stop a determined threat. It is more a case of long-range (time) fatality. Kind of like someone with a terminal condition able to act until the malady overtakes him.

Immediate incapacitation requires inability to remain standing and inability to employ a weapon. Think spinal cord C and/or T or brain stem. Second choice, blood loss of sufficient quantity and volume in a short amount of time, bringing loss of consciousness very quickly. Hit the spine, you've likely traversed the aorta.

**theduke** · January 2nd, 2018, 01:21 PM

I dont open carry so i carry the biggest I can conceal, which is a 9mm.

You could have really impressed us by shooting okra!

**ExFlyinguy** · January 2nd, 2018, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by free

I only know because he explained it last time he used it on one of my posts...but even so...I had to pause and retrieve that snippet of info (:

I've already forgotten what the hell it means.

Since this is a thread debating 9mm vs. 45 I refused to apologize for the derailment :P

**buxbandit** · January 2nd, 2018, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Bang

If I had to shoot a threat, I would not be shooting to kill. I would be shooting to stop the threat as immediately as possible. If death occurs, whether instantly or eventually, it is a collateral outcome to my intent.

I would be shooting at center of mass.
Shooting to wound is a recipe for getting yourself killed, IMHO. Or a good story for a made for TV movie.

To the OP's point, I carry a G19 because it gives me both firepower and accuracy.

A mall ninja's POV may vary