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    Default Collection of documented instances where OC deters crime

    Hey all,

    Every now and again something comes up (Wafflehouse, Walmart, that sort of thing) where an OCer deters a crime just by being there. Has there ever been a list compiled of these sorts of instances?
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    Default Re: Collection of documented instances where OC deters crime

    Doubt it. The media doesn't like positive carry stories.

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    Default Re: Collection of documented instances where OC deters crime

    Quote Originally Posted by ViperGTS19801 View Post
    Hey all,

    Every now and again something comes up (Wafflehouse, Walmart, that sort of thing) where an OCer deters a crime just by being there. Has there ever been a list compiled of these sorts of instances?
    Absolutely! In New Jersey, they are called criminal history records.

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    Default Re: Collection of documented instances where OC deters crime

    It would be difficult to compile anything as in most cases no one but the bad guy would note it. They aren't go to tell anyone.
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    Default Re: Collection of documented instances where OC deters crime

    No victim no crime no police report.

    There is a thread running thatís updated several times a day with news stories showing average people defending successfully themselves with firearms.

    http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=316012
    Last edited by Hodgie; December 30th, 2017 at 01:29 PM.

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    Default Re: Collection of documented instances where OC deters crime

    Have you looked through the various topics at the top of this forum?

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/forum.php

    I just skimmed through rather quickly and nothing really jumped out at me. They have
    a "Defensive Gun Use" topic but that seems to be mainly the actual use or firing of a gun
    as opposed to the avoidance of such through mere display. Still, you may find some of what
    you're after if you look deep enough.

    I think one of the issues you'll run into, in addition to the already mentioned lack of reporting, will be
    the lack of sources you can cite. You will end up with a user's accounting of the event(s) and nothing to
    back it up, no matter how many make the list.

    Good luck, I think you're going to need it.
    While many claim to support the right, precious few support the practice.

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    Default Re: Collection of documented instances where OC deters crime

    USCCA magazine and website always has a section called "positive stories" or such about armed citizens defending themselves. NRA mags also. Some of the stories have the bad guys running away at the sight of a gun. Best scenario

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    Default Re: Collection of documented instances where OC deters crime

    Quote Originally Posted by rwilson452 View Post
    It would be difficult to compile anything as in most cases no one but the bad guy would note it. They aren't go to tell anyone.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hodgie View Post
    No victim no crime no police report.

    There is a thread running that’s updated several times a day with news stories showing average people defending successfully themselves with firearms.

    http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=316012
    I think these posts nailed it. I am convinced there are a large amount of incidents every day where someone with a gun whether open carry or pulling out a gun put a quick end to thoughts of someone committing a crime. But the criminal is not going to report it and it’s more trouble than it’s worth for the carrier to report it, thus most remain undocumented.

    On the flip side, I’ve read literally thousands of articles in the last year where people have been robbed, raped, beaten, or murdered. I can’t help but wonder how many of those instances would not have happened if the person had been OC or CC or kept a gun in the home. It would not have made a difference in every case, but I am sure it would have in a large amount of the crimes.
    Last edited by internet troll; December 30th, 2017 at 03:05 PM.
    Proof Armed citizens make a difference. http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=316012

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    Default Re: Collection of documented instances where OC deters crime

    Happens every day. Ever hear of a cop in uniform and openly armed getting robbed?

    Unarmed security guards , rent-a-cops and plainclothes/detectives , sure.

    Respect for badge or uniform? Hell no!

    Fear of getting shot? Yell yes!
    I don't speak English , I talk American!

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    Default Re: Collection of documented instances where OC deters crime

    Quote Originally Posted by abner13 View Post
    Happens every day. Ever hear of a cop in uniform and openly armed getting robbed?

    Unarmed security guards , rent-a-cops and plainclothes/detectives , sure.

    Respect for badge or uniform? Hell no!

    Fear of getting shot? Yell yes!
    Getting robbed, no. But getting shot or assaulted or murdered? A few everyday.

    Not an apples to apples comparison

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