Mossberg Shockwave

**Super38** · December 16th, 2017, 07:44 PM

First of...Iv looked through the search for this and yes i found a bunch of info but nothing really concrete.

I am looking to order a Mossberg Shock-wave from a dealer online. But after reading some of these post about it im not to sure. Is the shockwave legal to own in PA? I am not worried about carrying it loaded in a vehicle or conceal carrying this hog by no means. I just want it for the fun factor and potential HD shotty. Just want to be on the safe side and sure before I plunk down 300 bones for it.

**knight0334** · December 16th, 2017, 09:25 PM

When they were first released there was serious consideration that they could be Prohibited Offensive Weapons that wouldn't be legal to own.

However, the PSP has pretty much put their blessing on them and determined them to be "firearms", which is classified the same as a handgun. ..requiring a PSP Record of Sale. Which also means your LTCF allows you to carry them concealed or in a vehicle.

Pretty much all of the gun shops around here sell them, or have them listed on their websites, or will order you one if you want it.

**DukeConnor** · December 16th, 2017, 09:53 PM

It comes with a letter.

**BuildTheWall** · December 22nd, 2017, 04:24 PM

What are you basing this information on? How do you reconcile the differences between the 4473 and the PSP record of sale form when it comes to classification of the 590 Shockwave? Is this something that you just pulled out of your ass? The state police aren't the ones who write Firearms legislation, they're the people who come to your house when you don't follow it. It's an "other" on the 4473, the state form lists any rifle pistol or shotgun with a barrel under a certain length. Since the 590 Shockwave is not considered a shotgun on the 4473 form, it kind of makes it an oddball.

**Mike545** · February 15th, 2018, 12:26 PM

so the Shock wave is considered as a pistol?

**knight0334** · February 15th, 2018, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by Mike545

so the Shock wave is considered as a pistol?

No.

It is a "firearm" under Federal law. And a "firearm" under PA law.

Since PA is what determines what is covered by a LTCF, a LTCF allows you to carry it concealed or in a vehicle.

**Mike545** · February 15th, 2018, 01:21 PM

can i do ftf sales or has to be FFL? sorry im new to all the laws on this.

**knight0334** · February 16th, 2018, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Mike545

can i do ftf sales or has to be FFL? sorry im new to all the laws on this.

Since it is a PA defined "firearm", transfers between private individuals need to go through a FFL or sheriff.

**Daycrawler** · February 16th, 2018, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by knight0334

No.

It is a "firearm" under Federal law. And a "firearm" under PA law.

Since PA is what determines what is covered by a LTCF, a LTCF allows you to carry it concealed or in a vehicle.

. Can you site the source of this ? Then I can provide it to my local FFL. This subject came up again today. Thanky!

**knight0334** · February 16th, 2018, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by Daycrawler

. Can you site the source of this ? Then I can provide it to my local FFL. This subject came up again today. Thanky!

The NFA, the GCA'68, and PA's UFA.

It is a "firearm" to the feds, not a "handgun, pistol, or revolver".

It is a "firearm" to PA, not a shotgun, not a rifle. "Firearm" includes handguns, pistols revolvers that have a barrel less than 15", or a rifle with a barrel less than 16", or a shotgun with a barrel less than 18", or ANY* gun with an overall length less than 26". *except "Antique Firearms", but "Antique Firearms" still require a LTCF to carry concealed.

The PSP declared it a "firearm", so the SP4-113 form is required.

The ATF declared it a GCA'68 firearm(not an NFA firearm), so it isn't a "handgun, pistol, or revolver", nor is it a "rifle or shotgun". You still fill out the same 4473 form, the dealer puts down "firearm" or "other firearm". You have to be 21yo to purchase it since it isn't a "rifle" or "shotgun".

What is your FFL doing or not doing correctly?