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    Default Good guy with a gun potentially stopped a mass shooting at a COSTO.

    But since the good guy with a gun stopped the bad guy before he shot people, it technically is not a mass shooting so he did not technically stop a mass shooting. Go figure.

    It does goes to show that good guys with a gun do make a difference, even when they are breaking the rules of property owner so that they can protect themselves and other. This off duty officer was carrying in a COSTCO ( a well known anti company that specifically has a policy against people carrying in their store). Surprisingly, the policy did not stop the criminal from bringing a gun into the store. He may very well have killed a lot of people (some of whom may very well have been disarmed because of the store policy.... because some good guys follow the rules). Luckily the off duty officer either did not know about the policy, or did not care. He stopped the bad guy with the gun.

    This is a textbook example of why gun free zones are such a joke. And the concept of the good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun is not a joke.


    District attorney clears officer who killed man wielding gun at Lenexa Costco

    https://shawneemissionpost.com/2017/...a-costco-68318
    Johnson County District Attorney Steve Howe on Wednesday announced that his office had completed its review of the officer-involved shooting at the Lenexa Costco Nov. 26 and determined that the off-duty member of the Kansas City, Kan., Police Department who shot and killed Ronald Hunt had “acted in accordance with Kansas law as it pertains to self-defense or defense of another,” and that his actions had “saved an unknown amount of innocent lives.”

    The officer, Capt. Michael Howell, was a customer inside the store the morning that Hunt entered and began brandishing a handgun, threatening to kill people in the store.

    As customers began to rush for the exits, Howell engaged Hunt, identifying himself as a police officer and telling him to drop his weapon. When Hunt failed to comply, Howell shot and fatally wounded him.

    The announcement from Howe is copied below:

    On Sunday, November 26, 2017, Ronald Hunt went to the Lenexa, Kansas Costco. He was armed with a loaded black powder pistol. As he approached and entered Costco, he began threatening to shoot and kill customers. He was brandishing the pistol as he walked through the aisles. Costco employees acted quickly to evacuate the numerous customers in the warehouse.

    One of the customers was an off-duty Kansas City, Kansas police officer. The officer was not at Costco on any official business. He had his police credentials and his off-duty handgun on his person. When the evacuation began, he approached a Costco manager, identified himself as a police officer, learned what was happening, and made sure that someone had called 911.

    The off-duty officer saw Hunt making his way toward the back of the store. He could hear Hunt threatening to kill people. He could see the gun. The officer was concerned for the safety of the evacuating customers, and decided to confront Hunt. The officer identified himself as a police officer, and ordered Hunt to stop and drop his weapon. Hunt failed to comply, and acted aggressively toward the officer. The officer shot Hunt, who died from his wounds.

    The officer was not injured.

    No one at Costco was injured by Hunt.

    This office has reviewed the reports of the investigation conducted by the Johnson County Officer Involved Shooting Investigation Team. It is our conclusion that the off-duty officer acted in accordance with Kansas law as it pertains to self-defense or defense of another.

    Therefore, no charges will be filed against the officer in connection with this incident. It is our belief that this officer acted with extreme courage, and saved an unknown amount of innocent lives by his actions inside the Costco warehouse on November 26.

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    Default Re: Good guy with a gun potentially stopped a mass shooting at a COSTO.

    Might not have been much of a mass shooting with a black powder pistol, but he did good regardless.

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    Default Re: Good guy with a gun potentially stopped a mass shooting at a COSTO.

    Quote Originally Posted by scruff View Post
    Might not have been much of a mass shooting with a black powder pistol, but he did good regardless.
    Good catch, I missed that part. Might have been a 6 shooter.

    I focused on this part.

    “acted in accordance with Kansas law as it pertains to self-defense or defense of another,” and that his actions had “saved an unknown amount of innocent lives.

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    Default Re: Good guy with a gun potentially stopped a mass shooting at a COSTO.

    Has COSTCO banned the off duty from patronizing their store in the future?

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    Default Re: Good guy with a gun potentially stopped a mass shooting at a COSTO.

    The whole point of this thread is invalid since he was a cop.

    An armed citizen did not save lives - a cop did.

    This is why you do NOT need a gun.

    The police are here to protect you.

    If he wasn't a cop, he could have killed many innocent people while trying to be a tough guy hero.

    The end.

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    Default Re: Good guy with a gun potentially stopped a mass shooting at a COSTO.

    Quote Originally Posted by Emptymag View Post
    The whole point of this thread is invalid since he was a cop.

    An armed citizen did not save lives - a cop did.

    This is why you do NOT need a gun.

    The police are here to protect you.

    If he wasn't a cop, he could have killed many innocent people while trying to be a tough guy hero.

    The end.
    Sadly, that is exactly how the media and your average anti-gun liberal views these incidents.

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    Default Re: Good guy with a gun potentially stopped a mass shooting at a COSTO.

    Quote Originally Posted by Emptymag View Post
    The whole point of this thread is invalid since he was a cop.
    An armed citizen did not save lives - a cop did.
    This is why you do NOT need a gun.
    The police are here to protect you.
    If he wasn't a cop, he could have killed many innocent people while trying to be a tough guy hero.
    The end.
    Yep, that's the spin, ad nauseam.
    I have even seen it extended to off duty security guards when convenient to the Liberal talking points.
    But Costco doesn't allow guns in its stores, so I don't think this entire event was possible in the first place.
    Probably took place on an alternate plane of reality.
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    Default Re: Good guy with a gun potentially stopped a mass shooting at a COSTO.

    Also, almost all policies against carrying firearms on corporate / store properties have an exception for uniformed officers in performance of their duties; next most for uniformed officers even off-duty; next for off-duty in plain clothes.

    I have only heard but never verified a few make no exceptions unless on-duty and in uniform. There might be one somewhere with no exceptions!
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