Police Crimes out number CCW Data

[streaker69]

Well, I think you're reaching on that $5000 thing... However, nothing in the world is free, especially our rights.. so if something like that were to be implemented we have to fight back to make people understand that our rights shouldn't be infringed because of cost... but then again most of the 2A supporters always vote for the right and they have been screwing the poor guy for years but they don't see it.

This federal CCWP issue that is in congress... has anyone reached out to see what it would really take to make it pass. I have floated a biennial safety course idea to my rep... a simple 5 hour-10 hour course that is recognized by proper parties. the reasonable cost part is if and when it ever comes to fruition.


and to your other comment, don't need an attorney if I always pull over and disassmble the firearm per each state requirement. Since I tend to glide into Maryland quite frequently, I just bring my lock case and secure the pisotl in there and lock it in my floor compartment of my truck, and keep the magazine int he glovebox which is all maryland requires.

If you support training for exercising the 2nd Amendment rights, then you should also support a civics test before someone can vote, right? Far more damage is done by idiots voting than is done by firearms.

[DaFunkyOne]

If you support training for exercising the 2nd Amendment rights, then you should also support a civics test before someone can vote, right? Far more damage is done by idiots voting than is done by firearms.

If you put a civics test into play for voting... I could get behind it!

But, keep in mind school have to teach civics. I have 2 school age children and it scares me they are not taught a tenth of what I learned in the same grades 30 years ago... No Child Left Behind eh????

[unclejumbo]

Agian the difference being when people in other professions do poor work or disobey the rules of their employment, they generally aren't ruining other peoples lives. They aren't violating on a daily basis the very laws they have sworn to uphold


DUI check points, Saftey check check points both unconstitutional.
No knock warrants, unconstitutional.
Search and seziure and asset forfeiture without a trial, unconstitutional.
Enforcing any firearms possession law, unconstitutional.

All the bravery and heroism in the world doesn't excuse violating the oath to the constitutuon.

Not to discount the bravery needed to run towards danger, it can be argued that that is simply doing the job they voluntarily signed up for. Just as tragic as when a firefighter dies in the line if duty, they signed on knowing full well the possible consequences.

I am a commercial truck driver, do you think it it takes bravery to drive an 80,000 lb truck on the Pa turnpike up and down the mountains in 18 inches of snow and ice?

Do some research, cops don't even make the top ten dangerous jobs, my job is #7.

I deliver in Cambden , Elizabeth, Newark NJ without a gun.
I have deliverered in Baltimore, Detroit, DC, oxon hill Md, Cleveland, Columbus, in the wee hours of the night, without a gun.
Cops in most of those cities won't approach a vehicle without backup.
Just saying, being brave doesn't nullify doing wrong.

Says you. Those tasked with determining the constitutionality of a law ruled differently. You and I may disagree with them, but ultimately, our opinions don't matter when it comes to those laws, their opinions do. It certainly isn't the place any LEO or soldier to apply their own opinion of constitutionality when enforcing the law. If they did, there are those LEOs that would arrest you for having a gun because they interpret the 2nd Amendment the way many liberals do.

[Sgt.K]

Says you. Those tasked with determining the constitutionality of a law ruled differently. You and I may disagree with them, but ultimately, our opinions don't matter when it comes to those laws, their opinions do. It certainly isn't the place any LEO or soldier to apply their own opinion of constitutionality when enforcing the law. If they did, there are those LEOs that would arrest you for having a gun because they interpret the 2nd Amendment the way many liberals do.

Point of order:

I spent a fair amount of time as a soldier. Several folks here spent quite a bit more. One thing we were taught is that we had no obligation to obey an unlawful order. The issue is - and always has been - determining which orders those are.

If I as a patrolman have the correct interpretation - and my superiors have it wrong - am I not applying my own opinion of constitutionality when I disobey his direct order to (for example) confiscate legally held firearms after Katrina?

I'm not saying you are wrong. In fact, you present the perfect-world answer. The world *we* live in, however, is far from perfect...


P.S. - I'm not saying I have the perfect answer either, UJ - I am simply expressing the conundrum.

[unclejumbo]

Point of order:

I spent a fair amount of time as a soldier. Several folks here spent quite a bit more. One thing we were taught is that we had no obligation to obey an unlawful order. The issue is - and always has been - determining which orders those are.

If I as a patrolman have the correct interpretation - and my superiors have it wrong - am I not applying my own opinion of constitutionality when I disobey his direct order to (for example) confiscate legally held firearms after Katrina?

I'm not saying you are wrong. In fact, you present the perfect-world answer. The world *we* live in, however, is far from perfect...


P.S. - I'm not saying I have the perfect answer either, UJ - I am simply expressing the conundrum.

I agree with you. I told my Sgt. "no, unlawful stop" when he wanted me to stop cars in front of the barracks and hand out "click-it or ticket" warnings. He didn't like my telling him no so I called the DA and the DA said no...not a lawful stop.

However, if something has worked its way though court ruling, the ruling is what determines if the practice is lawful and passes constitutional muster. That's why, me, you or pacodelahoya saying something is unconstitutional means nothing if the court has ruled otherwise. And while I was in the right on the warning issue, doing the same when ordered to go work a DUI checkpoint would get me jammed for not following a lawful order. The courts say DUI checkpoints are in-bounds which means they are. All we can do is vote for constructionist judges or the people that will appoint them and overturn what we deem bad rulings.

[pacodelahoya]

UJ, the supreme court ruled dui checkpoints are unconstitutional. But to paraphrase Rhenquist, " only a little bit and the benefit to society outweighs the harm done to the Constitution. " How does one get right with that? That excuse could be used to strip every civil right.
The courts have ruled that if a guy cuts his dick off and wears a dress, he's a girl.

It doesn't take a law degree to know that is bullshit.

Thank you for not doing unlawful stops.

[Carson]

If you “despise anyone that betrays their badge”, why don’t you stop protecting the bad cops and start turning them in when they do bad stuff. The “one bad apple” has turned the whole barrel rotten.

One bad apple ?

https://www.metro.us/news/local-news...ity-office-sex

[pacodelahoya]

One bad apple ?

https://www.metro.us/news/local-news...ity-office-sex

That is a horrible story, but how is that germaine to the conversation at hand?

[ShaulWolf]

One bad apple makes the rest as rotten...

[Williamsmith]

That is a horrible story, but how is that germaine to the conversation at hand?

If you look at the study this attack on police officers is built on you’ll discover that the foundational reason police officers commit crimes is not that they are people predisposed to crime but that the very work they do, mostly unsupervised, mostly interacting with criminals and mostly exposed to temptations on a daily basis......naturally creates an environment full of opportunity. That the crime rate among police officers is as low as it is reflects well on the honor and integrity of the police in general. Take any other professional or blue collar worker and place them in the same conditions and you will get the same results.