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    Default GOA ALERT: Update on Fluid Situation for Concealed Carry Reciprocity and Fix NICS

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    GOA ALERT: Update on Fluid Situation for Concealed Carry Reciprocity and Fix NICS

    This is the latest GOA update regarding the Concealed Carry Reciprocity bill and the Fix NICS bill. The situation is fluid.

    https://gunowners.org/alert12062017.htm

    House to Vote Today on Gun Bill

    House Set to Vote on Combined Gun Bill Today

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    Dear Friend:

    Yesterday, the House Rules Committee voted to combine the reciprocity and anti-gun “Fix NICS” bills (H.R. 38 and H.R. 4477).

    The combined bill now goes to the House floor, with votes scheduled for today.

    Because of the united push from gun control groups, the NRA and many House Republicans, the “Fix NICS” portion has an OVERWHELMING majority in the House.

    Not only that, the “Fix NICS” legislation has an OVERWHELMING majority in the Senate. This is further evidenced by the fact that Republican Senate leaders Mitch McConnell and John Cornyn -- along with Democrat leaders Chuck Schumer and Chris Murphy -- are all cosponsors and strongly supporting Fix NICS (S. 2135).

    So the result of passing the NICS bill apart from reciprocity would be for gun control to be fast-tracked to President Trump’s desk, while reciprocity died under a Schumer-led filibuster.

    Interestingly, Senators Cornyn and Murphy did NOT want a combined bill because they want to send Fix NICS legislation to the President.

    Senator John Cornyn was quoted in the Daily Caller as saying:

    We have good bipartisan support for [Fix NICS]. It’s really important and it will save lives, but if we start trying to add other things to it [like concealed carry reciprocity], then I think we risk not doing anything which has sort of been the fate of a lot of the legislation we’ve tried in the past. So, I’d like to do the fix NICS and then we can move on from there.
    Anti-gunners Oppose Combining the Two Bills

    Senator Cornyn was not alone in wanting to keep the bills separate.

    Democrat Senator Chris Murphy (CT) said that this combined bill would be D.O.A. in the Senate, as he considers concealed carry reciprocity a poison pill. And he was quoted in The Washington Post as saying that the combining of the two measures “is to risk nothing happening.”

    Prominent anti-gunners in the House also oppose combining the two bills.

    When appearing before the House Rules Committee yesterday, Democrat Representatives Jerry Nadler (NY) and Sheila Jackson Lee (TX) argued against combining reciprocity and Fix NICS.

    Also appearing before the committee, Rep. Dina Titus (D-NV) complained that including concealed carry reciprocity in the bill was a “poison pill” that would kill the Fix NICS legislation. She announced that she wanted to offer an amendment to strike the concealed carry reciprocity language -- a request which was denied by the committee.

    Outside of Congress, Moms Demand Action does NOT want a combined bill because they want a Fix NICS bill without reciprocity. You can see their tweet here.

    Same with Bloomberg’s Everytown, which opposes combining the two bills.

    What all these anti-gun legislators and groups realize is that merging the two bills would be the best way to kill the Fix NICS legislation.

    Unfortunately, because of a few Red State Democrats, we don’t have the votes right now to pass reciprocity in the Senate.

    And that means that the most likely outcome of two separate bills moving through the House would be for the NICS bill to ultimately get signed into law while reciprocity dies.

    Now that the House Rules Committee has combined the two provisions, GOA is not advocating for the bill, because we don’t want to pass a bill to make an unconstitutional system deny additional law-abiding citizens from exercising their rights.

    (You can view our earlier alert here to see why the Fix NICS bill could better be termed a “Traffic Ticket Gun Ban.”)

    Having said this, gun owners should realize the silver lining that has emerged. The combined bill has tremendously frustrated the anti-gun Left, because now they fear the NICS bill is dead -- if the House passes the bill today.
    What Happens Now?

    So, the two provisions (both good and bad) have now been joined together in H.R. 38. The House is scheduled to vote on the combined bill today.

    Gun owners will assuredly want to know: What happens next?

    Well, if the House does pass Fix NICS with reciprocity, then the Senate will most likely kill the background check language because, as we stated above, leading Republicans and Democrats do NOT want the bills combined.

    As recently as yesterday, Senator Chris Murphy said that such a combined bill would be dead on arrival in the Senate.

    Of course, the Senate could attempt to strip the reciprocity portion of the bill and send only gun control back to the House. But having just passed reciprocity, the tables would be turned and a vote to pass Fix NICS as a stand-alone bill in the House at that point would be considered a vote to kill reciprocity -- putting our side in a much stronger position to vote it down.

    What happens if the House defeats the combined bill? If Senator Cornyn has his way, the Senate will quickly try to send a Fix NICS-only bill to the House.
    Will the Senate Move Quickly to Pass Fix NICS?

    When asked by The Daily Caller if Sen. Cornyn preferred to wait until the next Congress to pass concealed carry reciprocity, Cornyn replied,

    Well I want to get this background check problem fixed as soon as possible, hopefully even this week here in the Senate. And I don’t want to do anything [such as reciprocity] to bog down our ability to get that done. I do think at some point we should take up constitutional carry, because I think it’s important but combining them, I think, is to risk nothing happening.

    If the Senate were to pass a stand-alone NICS bill, the House would most likely agree to it and send it to President Trump.

    So if the House defeats the bill today, we will have to expend a herculean effort in trying to kill the Traffic Ticket Gun Ban.

    And we will be calling on all our members to bombard their legislators in opposition to a bill that (sadly) has tremendous support in Congress.

    Things are happening quickly.

    Please stay tuned for more details as they become available.

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    Default Re: GOA ALERT: Update on Fluid Situation for Concealed Carry Reciprocity and Fix NICS

    They get us thinking it's going to pass , then they feed us another turd sandwich.

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    To be honest I feel like a ping pong listening to the GOA or NRA or Military Arms Channel or The Yankee Marshall- About what I should be telling my representatives.

    I'm just a newb in the whole 2nd Amend fight, but it astonishes me that none of these folks saw this coming after Hughes.

    Now it sounds like I'm damned if I support it, and damned if I don't.
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    Default Re: GOA ALERT: Update on Fluid Situation for Concealed Carry Reciprocity and Fix NICS

    They won't fix reciprocity. They won't fix taxes at 10% across the board. They won't build the wall. But they will pass gun control. They will attack women sexually. They will steal money. They will weaken the united states to pocket money.

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    Default Re: GOA ALERT: Update on Fluid Situation for Concealed Carry Reciprocity and Fix NICS

    So once again we will get absolutely nothing but this time we should like it. HR38 was doomed from the start and combining it with fix nics was the nail in the coffin.

    NRA wants compromise knowing that the Fix Nics will ultimately just deny more legal gun owners from their right to own a firearm. No thanks if we can't have a clean bill make it through a Rep controlled Senate then they can take their compromised (which it's clearly not) legislation shine it up real nice turn it sideways and shove it up their ass.

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    Default Re: GOA ALERT: Update on Fluid Situation for Concealed Carry Reciprocity and Fix NICS

    Quote Originally Posted by Gunsnwater View Post
    They won't fix reciprocity. They won't fix taxes at 10% across the board. They won't build the wall. But they will pass gun control. They will attack women sexually. They will steal money. They will weaken the united states to pocket money.
    This is the conclusion that I've come to:

    Practically speaking there is zero chance that there will ever be any positive uncompromised gun legislation at the Federal Level.

    Never never never ever ever ever going to happen, that is just the reality.
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    Default Re: GOA ALERT: Update on Fluid Situation for Concealed Carry Reciprocity and Fix NICS

    Someone explain "traffic ticket gun ban".its referenced in the original post, and says there's a link, but there isn't. I'd like an explanation. Thanks!

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    Default Re: GOA ALERT: Update on Fluid Situation for Concealed Carry Reciprocity and Fix NICS

    I agree things are not what they should be, but I am still hopeful some good may develop.
    It's easy to get discouraged, but sometimes you just have to ride it out.
    To give up and accept defeat is to hand the enemy an easy win.
    I will continue to fight, I hope others will do the same.
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    Default Re: GOA ALERT: Update on Fluid Situation for Concealed Carry Reciprocity and Fix NICS

    Quote Originally Posted by Manxdriver View Post
    Someone explain "traffic ticket gun ban".its referenced in the original post, and says there's a link, but there isn't. I'd like an explanation. Thanks!
    From what I understand there is language saying any outstanding warrants that make you a fugitive from justice. A single forgotten unpaid traffic ticket can and will do that.

    I had the unfortunate pleasure of unknowingly having my DL suspended and a bench warrant put out on me in NJ once because a clerk couldn’t read the meter maids hand writing and put my plate number in the system for a parking violation my car never made in a town about 2 hours north of where I live at a time I would have been at work.

    Their common mistake caused me a major headache and could have caused me loss of rights as well as the police knocking down my door on a follow up after denile.

    Major verbage gaps will legally screw many and some are okay with that. Trolling every federal database will undoubtedly lump thousands of people in categories they clearly do not deserve to be in. Prohibiting those diagnosed with ADHD? Based on what evidence and why? The obvious is half the freaking country is diagnosed with some form of ADHD these days.
    Last edited by Hodgie; December 6th, 2017 at 12:08 PM.

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    Default Re: GOA ALERT: Update on Fluid Situation for Concealed Carry Reciprocity and Fix NICS

    Quote Originally Posted by Manxdriver View Post
    Someone explain "traffic ticket gun ban".its referenced in the original post, and says there's a link, but there isn't. I'd like an explanation. Thanks!
    https://gunowners.org/alert12012017.htm

    Give me a minute and I'll post the text.
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