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Thread: It's out of committee...
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December 4th, 2017, 02:13 PM #11
Re: It's out of committee...
I was being careful.
I am a natural-born U.S. Citizen. Under the U.S. Constitution (as amended) the PA-NJ line is an imaginary line, because all protections offered by said constitution (should/are supposed to) apply to me equally regardless of which side I am on.
(Inter)national borders are something else entirely, and are (often) physically demarcated for that reason.Last edited by Sgt.K; December 4th, 2017 at 02:13 PM. Reason: spelling
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December 4th, 2017, 02:19 PM #12
Re: It's out of committee...
I remember well the inter-German border between the German Federal Republic and the German Democratic Republic - warning signs, minefields, barbed wire and watch towers - not all that different between how it should be between the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania and the State of New Jersey.
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Re: It's out of committee...
Go look at a map! State lines are a series of dashes. National boundaries are a solid, bold line. Everyone knows humans cannot transit through a solid. See? You can cross state lines between the dashes. There are no gaps in national boundary lines.
Glad I could clear that up!
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December 4th, 2017, 03:39 PM #14
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As i understand it, that area is now one heck of a semi-linear park. It was easier to make it a preserve than guarantee 100% perfect cleanup.
from Wikipedia: In December 1989, only a month after the opening of the border, conservationists from East and West Germany met to work out a plan to establish a "German Green Belt" (Grünes Band Deutschland) stretching from the Baltic Sea to the Czech border.[190] The Bundestag voted unanimously in December 2004 to extend federal protection to the Green Belt and incorporate it into a "European Green Belt" being developed along the entire 6,800-kilometre (4,200 mi) length of the former Iron Curtain. The German Green Belt now links 160 natural parks, 150 flora-and-fauna areas, three UNESCO biosphere reservations and the Harz Mountains National Park.[191] It is home to a wide variety of species that are rare elsewhere in Germany, including the wild cat, black stork, otter and rare mosses and orchids. Most of Germany's red kites – more than half of the 25,000 that live in Europe – live along the former border.[190] The Bund Naturschutz, one of Germany's largest conservation groups, is campaigning to extend the area within the Green Belt designated as nature conservation zones.[192]
[190] Paterson, Tony (17 May 2009). "From Iron Curtain to Green Belt". Independent On Sunday.
[191] Cramer, Michael (2008). German-German Border Trail. Rodingersdorf: Esterbauer. ISBN 978-3-85000-254-7.
[192] Hall, Allan (19 May 2008). "Cold War legacy a haven for nature". The Age.Last edited by gghbi; December 4th, 2017 at 04:10 PM.
Illegitimus non carborundum est
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December 4th, 2017, 04:51 PM #15
Re: It's out of committee...
A national border and National Sovereignty are completely different matters. We as a nation have the sovereign right to determine who can and cannot enter our country and/or stay here.
But as far as state borders are concerned, we are supposed to be the UNITED States, all of which should respect The Bill of Rights of citizens equally.
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