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December 7th, 2017, 09:02 AM #121
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December 7th, 2017, 09:14 AM #122
Re: Concealed Carry Reciprocity This Week! Call Now!
Nobody was organized to resist this shit. It hadn't been done before. A lot of people weren't using guns everyday by the 30s and didn't think the average person needed to carry everyday nor own full auto, $200 was prohibitive back then.
Realize that they went after handguns but couldn't get them because too many of the legislators back then wouldn't go for it. It's why we are left with short barrel shotguns and rifles, that part wasn't removed along with the handgun part.
The glorification of the outlaws and the tommy gun in the news paper, radio and movies just as they do mass shootings today, pumped the public up to crys of do something.
People that will trade the idea of safety for their unappreciated liberty shall have neither.
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December 7th, 2017, 08:55 PM #123Member
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Re: Concealed Carry Reciprocity This Week! Call Now!
I am not a lawyer, but my understanding of why people (GOA and others) have an issue with the "Fix NICS" is that it is intentionally vague and potentially requires additional people to report who is classified as an "unlawful" firearms owner. Most believe that you show have to be criminally convicted to loose your rights. Below are 2 lines copied from HR4477. As you can see it requires reporting from government departments and agencies. This could open the door to have agencies submit names of people who have not be given "due process" and arbitrarily have their rights removed.
“(I) the total number of records of the Federal department or agency demonstrating that a person falls within one of the categories described in subsection (g) or (n) of section 922 of title 18, United States Code;"
"The head of each Federal department or agency shall update the plan biennially, to the extent necessary, based on the most recent biennial assessment under subparagraph (K). The records shall be limited to those of an individual described in subsection (g) or (n) of section 922 of title 18, United States Code."
Now these are both already in NICS, but HR4477 also gives money for complying with these requirements. The GOA believes that an "anti-gun" congress or president could withhold moneys because agencies are not providing enough names, or to persuade agencies like the VA to give a list of everyone with PTSD, or another agencies to give all names of people with ADD/ADHD, again without ever being convicted and with no due process.
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December 7th, 2017, 09:02 PM #124
Re: Concealed Carry Reciprocity This Week! Call Now!
I firmly belive this bill will die in the Senate. Even with the NICS “fix”, Dems aren’t gonna give it to us.
Don’t like me ???? Tough, I don’t give a flying f@@k about ya.
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December 8th, 2017, 01:29 AM #125Active Member
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^^^^ I agree with Aggie
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December 8th, 2017, 02:05 AM #126
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At this point I think I would rather both die. Not worth the risk IMO,
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December 8th, 2017, 02:13 AM #127
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Join the GOA & save $5.00. https://www.gunowners.org/mac-subs-join-goa.htm
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December 8th, 2017, 03:17 AM #128
Re: Concealed Carry Reciprocity This Week! Call Now!
The Washington Post, June 22, 2016 article states that the police commit crimes 1.7% per 100,000 officers. The Concealed Carriers with permits or licenses commit 0.00003 percent per 100,000 concealed carriers.
This shows that the concealed carriers are more law abiding than the police. AND
Found this on crime prevention research center. For Texas:
The police commits 703/ 683,396 full time officers, yearly rate, and for misdemeanors or felonies, 118/ 683,396 for Firearm violations.
For the concealed carriers: 108/ 1 million for permit holders for misdemeanors of felonies and 24/1million for permit holders for firearms violations
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December 8th, 2017, 05:54 AM #129
Re: Concealed Carry Reciprocity This Week! Call Now!
When is HR 38 up for a vote in the Senate?
Gun Owners of America lifetime member! Same sex marriage is an oxymoron!
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December 8th, 2017, 09:45 AM #130
Re: Concealed Carry Reciprocity This Week! Call Now!
I see the danger in it, but to characterize it as banning people who get traffic and parking tickets automatically is a little disingenuous. I'm not saying I agree with any of it either. I'm just pointing out that some of the fears, while founded, would take additional steps then just this.
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