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    Quote Originally Posted by brietbart View Post
    It changes federal law that so concealed carry permits are treated like driver’s licenses, making a permit from one state valid in the other 49. This would fix the complicated and often confusing patchwork of concealed carry laws currently in effect throughout the country.
    It doesn't really. Wouldn't each state still have their own specific carry laws...restrictions....must inform...etc?
    Last edited by mrjam2jab; November 30th, 2017 at 01:15 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrjam2jab View Post
    It doesn't really. Wouldn't each state still have their own specific carry laws...restrictions....must inform...etc?
    Correct... You would still have to carry according to the laws of the state your visiting. ie; NJ, no HP's 15rd cap mags, NY, 10 rd mags, and so on. Oh and no AR pistols allowed in those states and CT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BF750 View Post
    Correct... You would still have to carry according to the laws of the state your visiting. ie; NJ, no HP's 15rd cap mags, NY, 10 rd mags, and so on. Oh and no AR pistols allowed in those states and CT.
    so wouldn't carry in NJ still be illegal since you don't have a FOID card?

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    Quote Originally Posted by raxar View Post
    so wouldn't carry in NJ still be illegal since you don't have a FOID card?
    Only for New Jersey residents. The caveats to any reciprocity would be where and what one could carry. If FOID cards from any state would be required, then carry permits from such states would be required as well. Besides, with few exceptions only jersey residents can apply for and receive the "FOID" cards.

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    This has Zero chance to pass unless the powers that be think they gain some leverage to usurp power from the 2A

    This is nothing more than editing the 2A, which already restricted the states from passing the unconstitutional laws they have.

    What should be happening is the nullification of all state and local gun laws JMHO
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    Quote Originally Posted by TotinMama View Post
    I could be wrong, but I believe that particular Democratic amendment to the bill was thrown out today. I think as it stands now, a NJ resident could get a Utah permit and then carry in New Jersey. That is also how the GOA explained it in a release after the vote today:

    The legislation would allow anyone with a permit, and anyone from a Constitutional Carry state, to carry in any state in the country -- thereby countering the fascist laws of anti-gun states.

    In particular, it would allow residents of repressive states to get non-resident permits and thereby circumvent local anti-gun officials.
    i thought that was part of the core bill, a permit from home state. a lot of amendments i'm watching, are argued to already be covered by the bill. also the house and senate hasn't finished with it yet...

    Quote Originally Posted by raxar View Post
    Hell Australia is an island and crooks there have no problems obtaining guns. Perhaps it has more to do with culture than anything else.
    they ARE "claiming" a massive drop in crime since the gun ban. but they wouldn't let facts get in the way of agenda.

    unfortunately it doesn't provide any immunity to the coming laws. like when california makes a law that prohibits carry on public roadways or when you are unaware that NJ has banned carry from all fast food and gas stations.
    but i do like seeing them argue, the one idiot wanted "carrying a gun" to be cause for a police stop and detainment until such time that id can be verified... potentially days.

    seeing the number of people argue stupid things about the bill or throw big dramatic scenes because it's on the heels of two murders vegas.
    which would have happened even with the universal background checks, in a gun free zone. and texas which might not have but was caused by USAF failing to do their job.
    they ignore the fact that bill was written in january and that their committee has just been dicking around for 10 months, probably waiting for this timing so it will fail enroute.
    they try and argue a fact that a LAW is required to protect private property rights but ignore private property freedoms.
    IE, i will tell you that your bar CAN NOT have guns, because it's somehow a stronger deterrant than if you CHOOSE to not have guns and have police remove anyone with guns.
    they don't realize that we're either going to conceal... concealed is concealed or NOT visit the anti-gun establishment because they do not deserve our business.

    it's just sick listening to their arguments. detached and fearful, weak minded fools.

    sorry for the rant. i'll be picking up an hour or two of the footage for the next few days, stupid 6 hour argument.

    Quote Originally Posted by PocketProtector View Post
    This has Zero chance to pass unless the powers that be think they gain some leverage to usurp power from the 2A

    This is nothing more than editing the 2A, which already restricted the states from passing the unconstitutional laws they have.

    What should be happening is the nullification of all state and local gun laws JMHO
    yes, but go ahead and try to argue the logic that the laws these states have passed are unconstitutional. the theatrics over this supposed "infringement on states rights" was overwhelming during their arguments.
    because it's impossible to be able to vote in enough libertarians, the only way you will ever get back to that true constitutional value is by bloodying your rifle.
    this is the closest compromise we can potentially obtain.
    although if you would like, we can sit back and blame all those before us who ALLOWED or SUPPORTED the developments into the situation we have currently.

    next time you have a politicians ear, ask them why no constitutional amendment was required to ban drugs but one was needed to ban alcohol
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    Quote Originally Posted by c45man View Post
    Besides, with few exceptions only jersey residents can apply for and receive the "FOID" cards.
    That's not true. You can apply with NJSP if you want one in order to purchase in the state. It's just that why the hell would you want to if you don't live there.

    Having an NJ FOID card also allows you to transport an unloaded long gun without needing another exemption. Good for those traveling and spending time in NJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PocketProtector View Post
    This has Zero chance to pass unless the powers that be think they gain some leverage to usurp power from the 2A

    This is nothing more than editing the 2A, which already restricted the states from passing the unconstitutional laws they have.

    What should be happening is the nullification of all state and local gun laws JMHO
    The Republican Congress is approaching the end of the year with absolutely zero accomplishments, so there's some pressure to get SOMETHING done to keep the base from turning on them. Tax reform and concealed carry would help. I'm not holding my breath, though.

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    I watched 2.5 hours of the video so far. Some of the dems amendments were absurd. I thought Raskin's head was going to explode when he realized that it would be legal for law abiding citizens to carry guns in his state of Maryland. Also the detainment for just having a concealed weapon on you while they verify your permit? I mean common!
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    "National reciprocity for concealed carry passed the House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday." 11/29/2017

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...p-house-floor/
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