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    Default Re: Concealed Carry Reciprocity This Week! Call Now!

    Quote Originally Posted by internet troll View Post
    It has a chance of passing. In 2013 reciprocity lost by 3 votes 57 to 43. Looking at some of the changes in the Senate, a few people who voted no are gone replaced by people who have a strong chance of voting yes for reciprocity. Joni Ernst who replaced Tom Hawkins in Iowa. Mike Rounds who replaced Tim Johnson in South Dakota. Shelly Moore Capito who replaced John Rockefeller iv in West Virginia.


    Looking at those who voted yes last time, there has been one major game changer that I can see. Kelly Ayotte who voted yes in 2013, was replaced by Maggie Hassan who would probably be a no vote.

    That leaves us at 59 yes votes as is.

    If some of the traditional no votes are tempted by background checks, who knows how they will vote.

    A long shot, but this could possibly be closer than some might think.

    If it is reciprocity alone and goes to a vote, I think it goes down 59-41



    Quote Originally Posted by R L Suehr View Post
    Unfortunately, it's a different political climate than '13 too. Trump ran with this as part of his campaign. The Dems and some Rep are completely determined to vote against anything Trump promised in the election constituents, values, morals, etc, etc ,etc be damned. All they care about is making it seem like Trump doesn't accomplish anything he promised by the next election. They don't gaf about anything else and they're doing a decent job so far.
    You are probably correct. Reading up on it, a few Democrats who voted for the bill in 2013 already said they would not this time.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/06/u...ciprocity.html
    Several Democrats who voted for the 2013 measure, including Senators Martin Heinrich of New Mexico, Mark Warner of Virginia and Tom Udall of New Mexico, said this week they would not do so this time around. Even Democrats perceived to be the most in favor of gun rights, including Senators Joe Manchin III of West Virginia and Jon Tester of Montana, were cautious about staking out a position before they needed to.
    Last edited by internet troll; December 9th, 2017 at 07:18 AM.
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    Default Re: Concealed Carry Reciprocity This Week! Call Now!

    i was thinking its possible committee holds it from vote until the waters are clearer. ie fter moore nd franken.

    equally posible the rinos axe it

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    Default Re: Concealed Carry Reciprocity This Week! Call Now!

    took just a little while to get it but here's one of my favorite back and forth from the markup.
    "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

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    Quote Originally Posted by fallenleader View Post
    took just a little while to get it but here's one of my favorite back and forth from the markup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fallenleader View Post
    took just a little while to get it but here's one of my favorite back and forth from the markup.
    Watched this video... amazing how delusional and dishonesty these politicians are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vinnyg101 View Post
    Watched this video... amazing how delusional and dishonesty these politicians are.
    i had a feeling these would be too long for most people to dig through so saved this and the followup. i haven't seen the vote but did see the debate session and iirc have to save that still.

    love seeing them get schooled on the constitution.
    and seeing the one woman in the committee vote? complain that it'd put the guns in the hands of kids (18-20) and get schooled on how thats an adult.. ahh delicious.

    pretty much democrats since the dawn of times.
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    Default Re: Concealed Carry Reciprocity This Week! Call Now!

    Anyone heard any update or when the senate might vote on this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cham09 View Post
    Anyone heard any update or when the senate might vote on this?
    It is in the hands of the Senate Committe on the Judiciary. My understanding is that they must vote on it before the end of the year or it will die in committe. It needs to die. The Fix Nics Act which is attached to it, is an abomination and will serve to erode second amendment rights. It takes a database that is 90% of the time providing false flags and denials and puts it on steroids by requiring federal agencies to report disqualifying information to the system without due process or judicial review. It provides for 100 million dollars of taxpayers money to fund it. It expands the scenarios by which person’s would be denied. It is a nightmare.

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