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November 15th, 2017, 08:04 AM #31
Re: Want to purchase firearm but diagnosed with mental disorder. Details inside.
First off to get the PICS check performed you have to sign off on the 4473, which if you're correct with thinking you were 302ed, you've already committed the crime by lying on the form. It made no difference that you ultimately chose not to purchase the firearm.
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November 15th, 2017, 04:12 PM #32
Re: Want to purchase firearm but diagnosed with mental disorder. Details inside.
There seems to be some confusion and/or misunderstanding regarding section 302 of the Mental Health Procedures Act. Section 302 actually provides for 2 distinct things that are relevant to this discussion. It allows a person to be seized and subjected to an involuntary mental health evaluation if certain conditions are met, and it allows for involuntary treatment if the evaluation results in a finding that the person is severely mentally disabled and in need of immediate treatment.
Being taken for an involuntary evaluation under section 302 does not result in a person becoming prohibited from possessing firearms if they are not found to be severely mentally disabled and in need of immediate treatment or if they are able to voluntarily commit themselves instead of being involuntarily committed. Being subjected to involuntary treatment after a finding of disability/need for treatment does result in a prohibition.
On PAFOA, we generally use being "302'd" as shorthand for being involuntarily committed, but a non PAFOAer who is arrested in their home or grabbed off the street and drug off to the nearest mental hospital for an involuntary chat with a mental health professional may well use the same term to describe their experience, even if it did not result in an involuntary commitment and the accompanying prohibition on possessing firearms.
If one takes georgey215's first post at face value, it does seem consistent with being taken in for an evaluation but not being involuntarily committed:
That said, I agree that he should obtain his records from the facility or facilities where he was treated and consult an attorney who is familiar with firearms laws.
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November 15th, 2017, 05:07 PM #33Junior Member
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Re: Want to purchase firearm but diagnosed with mental disorder. Details inside.
O man, I went to get my medical records. I was infact 302d, but doctor had my 302 discharged. HAHA so am i good then? All hospital visits were voluntary, 302 was discharged. Or am i prematurely happy right now.
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November 15th, 2017, 06:41 PM #34
Re: Want to purchase firearm but diagnosed with mental disorder. Details inside.
How can you have any cookies if you don't drink your milk?
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November 15th, 2017, 06:53 PM #35
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November 15th, 2017, 07:05 PM #36
Re: Want to purchase firearm but diagnosed with mental disorder. Details inside.
You have been told - repeatedly, and by respected members of this forum - to obtain all of your relevant paperwork and consult an attorney who specializes in firearm law.
Continuing to ask for our opinions - or worse, potentially acting on one poorly worded and cherry-picked response - wastes our time and puts your freedoms and our reputations at risk.
The bolded part above does not suggest that you are treating this conversation with the appropriate gravity.
Either tell us what your lawyer said, or ask for recommendations to find one. Otherwise, please stop.
Out.
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November 15th, 2017, 07:08 PM #37Junior Member
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Re: Want to purchase firearm but diagnosed with mental disorder. Details inside.
Yes, I contacted a law office. They said they will have someone contact me in 2 days.
Its understandable when you hear firearms and mental disorder in same sentence it can be disconcerting. But you know what, I took medication for depression prescribed by a doctor. And guess what the medication caused me to have ton of bad symptoms. Then after those symptoms they slap me with a more serious diagnosis. That medication is known to do that. The medical system failed me. I told my current psychiatrist that the medication caused all those symptoms and I never in my life displayed them before until i took that drug. He said it can't be proven. This all happened 4 years ago and guess what I haven't displayed those symptoms i had 4 years ago after and probably never will for the rest of my life as long as i stay the hell away from those powerful so called medicine.
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November 15th, 2017, 07:15 PM #38
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November 15th, 2017, 07:17 PM #39
Re: Want to purchase firearm but diagnosed with mental disorder. Details inside.
The wording "doctor had my 302 discharged" is... "strange" - I've never heard that said before.
How many days were you there? That's usually a good way to tell if you were 302'd or 201'd - BUT not 100% either.
Really though, the only course of action that is safe here is to speak to someone knowledgeable in this matter - in the LEGAL sense.
Paying a small amount of money NOW to get an accurate answer is much less costly than breaking the law and paying the price for it.
I would also do some research and ONLY discuss this with an attorney experienced in "firearm law" because otherwise, I suspect you could find that they are unwilling or unable to properly assess your situation.
Good luck.I called to check my ZIP CODE!....DY-NO-MITE!!!
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November 15th, 2017, 07:22 PM #40Junior Member
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