Road rage leads to gun pulled, motorcycle run over

[Mr_Gixxer]

Not sure where to put this, mods move if need be.

http://www.chillicothegazette.com/st...ver/716215001/

[Ohio]According to Chillicothe police, a 24-year-old Chillicothe man said he was driving his motorcycle west on West Water Street about 1:30 p.m. when he was cut off by a gold Chevy sedan near High Street.

He swerved to miss the car, pulled up beside it and yelled at the driver to "use your turn signals." Afterward, the driver of the sedan followed behind him and intentionally rammed him when he slowed for traffic ahead when approaching Vine Street.

The impact caused his motorcycle to tip over. As he got off the motorcycle, the man said the driver of the Sedan got out, punched him in the side of his helmet, and tried to get him to fight., according to the police report. The motorcyclist — who is a concealed carry permit holder — pulled out his pistol and told the driver to get back in his car.

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Here's my question. Was the motorcycle rider justified in pulling his gun and using it in the way he did?

[pacodelahoya]

This is my opinion on it.

Justified because he didn't shoot the guy, he was assaulted with a deadly weapon, disoriented from being intentionally wrecked.
Honestly, I might have shot the fucker for crashing me on purpose.

[JAKIII]

Not sure I'd be in fear for my life, but certainly a self defense situation.

This is a good thread topic for discussion that I'll keep my eye on.

[Mr_Gixxer]

This is my opinion on it.

Justified because he didn't shoot the guy, he was assaulted with a deadly weapon, disoriented from being intentionally wrecked.
Honestly, I might have shot the fucker for crashing me on purpose.

The short news article I linked I'm sure doesn't tell us everything but from what is there it's hard for me to say how I would have handled it. My gut says, don't pull a firearm you're carrying unless you absolutely need to and if you plan to use it. I've never thought about carrying my gun just to point it at someone. The rider wasn't charged with anything yet, maybe the police thought it was a justified use of his firearm?

[GunLawyer001]

Defensive displays of firearms account for the vast majority of successful defensive "uses" of guns. That's just a fact, backed up by every research study, and by news accounts, and by empirical data, and by common sense. Finding out that the guy you wanted to beat up is armed, will obviously alter the dynamic.

Trying to argue that the majority of people saving themselves represent some indefensible abuse of carrying, is an uphill battle.

[Jhaydeno]

The driver used a 4000 pound weapon to try and kill the rider, and when that didn't work he punched him in the head (even a low speed wreck can kill). He was certainly justified to clear leather while trying to prevent further injury to himself.

[American1776]

Defensive displays of firearms account for the vast majority of successful defensive "uses" of guns. That's just a fact, backed up by every research study, and by news accounts, and by empirical data, and by common sense. Finding out that the guy you wanted to beat up is armed, will obviously alter the dynamic.

Trying to argue that the majority of people saving themselves represent some indefensible abuse of carrying, is an uphill battle.

Nobody (here) would argue that the majority of people saving themselves represent indefensible abuses of carrying. This case is *not* whether the majority of people saving themselves are indefensible abuses of carrying. We can grant that assumption. At the same time, we should ask the question of this case is: "Did *this* motorcyclist, given the circumstances of *this* particular situation, act in a way that would place him in the category of successful and justified displays of a firearm, or is this a case that belongs in the category of indefensible abuses of a firearm"? I believe that's what the OP is asking.

[Krichardson]

Bastard was probably showing off for the woman.I hope they can catch him somehow....as for the motorcyclist,he showed some real self control in not shooting the guy after nearly being run over while on his bike.

[Walleye Hunter]

Bastard was probably showing off for the woman.I hope they can catch him somehow....as for the motorcyclist,he showed some real self control in not shooting the guy after nearly being run over while on his bike.

The chicky that didn't get out will probably blow the whistle on him

[Krichardson]

The chicky that didn't get out will probably blow the whistle on him

Yeah,that would be great.