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    Default NRA was going help repeal the Hughes Amendment? HR 3999...

    Marion "The Fudd" Hammer spins the words "should be subject to additional regulations" while simultaneously proving that the NRA has ZERO interest in your ability to own full auto (and pretty much making it clear where they stand on things like pistol braces, the Mossberg Shockwave, binary / echo triggers, 37mm flare launchers, etc.). She even goes so far as to say that an Obama-era ATF has a "wink and nod" agreement to benefit companies like Slide-Fire. This whole statement ooozes such Fuddness that it's pretty much clear to anyone that isn't blinded by baffling loyalty that the NRA is STILL an organization of "as long as you don't touch my deer rifle".

    So to the people who say that we don't turn our backs on the NRA, my question is this... how do we fix this organization? Because either you think it's broken or your definition of "shall not be infringed" doesn't jive with mine. Just having the NRA come out and say that they oppose HR 3999 is NOT going to do it for me. This goes beyond HR 3999... it goes to the very fabric of what that organization believes in and the battles that they will and will not fight for in DC (along with what they are willing to throw under the bus). Hammer's statements make it clear that LaPierre's statement were not a fluke, nor were they poorly worded. The NRA flat out SUPPORTS THE NFA and even goes so far as to support a bureaucratic governmental organization's power to literally rewrite the law without due process in order to ban things that are scary. The NFA's definition is: "The term "machine gun " means any weapon which shoots, or is designed to shoot, automatically or semiautomatically, more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger."

    The ATF, no matter who was POTUS at the time or what kind of "wink and nod" was made or not made, had no other option but to affirm that bump fire stocks were NOT machine guns... unless we want to all be cool with giving them the type of discretionary power that would make the Founding Father turn over in their graves. I would suggest that what is suggested here by the NRA is actually SO BAD that the passing of HR 3999 would preferable to allowing the ATF to just rewrite 80 year old gun control legislation however they see fit. This whole thing is pretty damn f'ed up.

    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...p-fire-stocks/

    DATE: October 9, 2017
    TO: My Fellow Board & Council Members & Friends
    FROM: Marion Hammer, NRA past president
    RE: Misinformation and Distortion Anger Me

    In 1934 the first federal gun control law in America was passed. The National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA) became the law of the land. The NRA was asleep at the switch. Most of us hadn’t even been born then. It is not of our making but like all good, honest, law-abiding Americans, the NRA obeys the law. The NFA regulates fully-automatic firearms and has done so for 83 years.

    The “bump-stock” device, used by the killer in the Las Vegas shooting, converts a semi-auto rifle to a full-auto rifle. Anyone who has ever used a bump-stock or watched a video demonstrating its use, can only conclude that it is a converter.

    If you listened to an audio recording of the shooting during that horrific massacre, you must have concluded that it was full-auto fire. You were not alone, many firearms experts and law enforcement professionals came to the same conclusion. It was not until later that information was released disclosing that bump-stocks had been used to convert semi-automatic firearms to perform like full-auto firearms.

    In spite of the seemingly noble reason the manufacturer claims for developing it, the bump-stock circumvents federal law. Regardless of the quality and reliability or lack thereof of this device – it converts a semi-auto to full-auto when installed.

    Do you have any idea how many people were shocked out of their minds when ATF decided bump-stocks were not subject to regulation and APPROVED them for sale and use? That was under the Obama administration for crying out loud. Your mind is forced to run wild wondering why.

    Once the ruling was made, what would you expect NRA to do? Do you think NRA should have said, Oh! No, ATF is wrong, ATF made a mistake?

    It doesn’t matter what laws the NRA doesn’t agree with or doesn’t like, the NRA must abide by the law. For decades, over and over again when the enemies of the Second Amendment have tried to capitalize on tragedies by calling for more gun control, NRA has called for enforcing existing law. That is exactly what we are doing now.

    Make no mistake, the NRA has NOT cleared the way for more regulation. If it were not for ATF’s wink and nod to the manufacturer of the bump-stock, it would already be regulated under federal law. NRA has tossed it back into ATF’s lap where it belongs. NRA has not agreed to any new legislation nor has NRA said we agree with any existing NFA legislation. NRA has not agreed to a ban. NRA has not agreed to anything. NRA simply insists upon enforcing existing law.

    The enemies freedom and the Second Amendment are spewing hysteria from the podiums they have planted in the blood of innocent victims. These anti-Second Amendment heretics are using these victims as their stalking horse to get some new gun control legislation on the floor of the Congress.

    These victims have fallen and are suffering because of the evil acts of a deranged madman who could have carried out his destruction even if bump-stocks were not available under ATF’s approval. He would have found another way.

    Don’t blame bump-stocks, don’t blame ATF, don’t blame anybody but the evil people who perpetrated this crime. No law, no regulation stops those with evil in their hearts.

    The frantic cries from antagonists who want to take your freedom are intended to stampede you and Congress into supporting more gun control.

    But it doesn’t stop there. Is it not clear to you that, just like the media, some members of the NRA Board are misinterpreting what the NRA has said?

    Additionally, there are “Trojan horse members” who are deliberately misinterpreting what the NRA has said. Just like having an (R) after your name doesn’t make you a conservative Republican, having an NRA membership card doesn’t make you an honest member.

    Be very careful of anti-NRA people claiming to have many supporters who are merely standing in a hall of mirrors and seeing their own reflections. Don’t be fooled.

    This fight is not about the personal financial interests of NRA Board members. This fight should not be used by any individual Board member to attack NRA as a means elevate their own popularity with dissidents and “Trojan horse members.”

    This particular fight is about following existing law. If you don’t believe that bump-stocks convert semi-autos to full-autos then you have not seen what I have seen. While the conversion may be reversible by removing and replacing the device, it none less makes a semi-auto perform like a full-auto when installed.

    We do not need new legislation, we do not need new regulation, we simply need ATF to review it’s previous approval and enforce existing law. That’s what NRA said. That will render bump-stocks irrelevant. There is no need for Congress to be stampeded into doing anything else. No matter how you twist it, or what your own personal agenda may be, the NRA has not compromised.

    If ATF won’t do it on its own, President Trump should order ATF to review it’s ruling made under the Obama administration.

    We should stand united. We need to enforce existing law. We don’t need any new gun control legislation. Any member of Congress who wants to sacrifice more of our freedom under the pretense of providing safety should know that we don’t forgive the betrayal of freedom or the Second Amendment and we won’t give a wink and a nod to political eye wash as a substitute for backbone.

    The only legislation we need to see on the floor of Congress right now is carry reciprocity and elimination of suppressor regulations.

    Marion Hammer

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    Default Re: NRA was going help repeal the Hughes Amendment? HR 3999...

    Quote Originally Posted by tacticalreload View Post
    The NRA flat out SUPPORTS THE NFA and even goes so far as to support a bureaucratic governmental organization's power to literally rewrite the law without due process in order to ban things that are scary. The NFA's definition is: "The term "machine gun " means any weapon which shoots, or is designed to shoot, automatically or semiautomatically, more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger."[/INDENT]

    NRA for the most part has become status quo political machine. Their goal is not the same as the average 2A supporting American.

    NFA regulation are corrupt laws that is only accepted once one 'drinks the cool aid' and joints the cult of delusion that is common in society today.

    Machine guns, automatic fire, binary, suppressors, etc., ect... should be in the hands of the American citizens with out being molested or criminalized via regulations by the government.
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