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    Post Oct 12, 2017 BATF letter saying Bump socks isn't a machine gun

    ATF Association
    October 12, 2017

    Representative Carlos Curbelo
    U.S. House of Representatives
    1404 Longworth H.O.B.
    Washington DC 20515

    Representative Curbelo;

    The ATF Association consists of current and former employees of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms
    and Explosives (ATF) and is supported by organizations and citizens across the country. Recently, some have
    attempted to cast blame on ATF for not banning devices like the “bump slide” used in the Las Vegas shootings.
    We would like to clarify this confusing issue to protect honorable ATF employees from false allegations that
    they chose to make this item legal when it was the law that prohibited them from regulating the item. We also
    hope this information will assist you in a better understanding of this issue.

    The National Firearms Act of 1934, Title 26 U.S.C. 5845(b) defines a “machine gun” as any combination of
    parts designed and intended for use in converting a weapon to shoot automatically more than one shot,
    without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. ATF also holds that any item that can cause a
    firearm to fire more than one shot by the single function of the trigger is also regulated as a machine gun.
    The Las Vegas killer used a “bump slide” accessory that attaches to the stock of a semi-automatic rifle and
    enhances the rate at which the shooter can pull the trigger on the firearm. This increases the rate of fire close to that of an actual machine gun. However, under the current law, it does not make it a machine gun.

    The bump slide, and several other similar after-market accessories that increase the rate at which a shooter can
    pull the trigger, are engineered to avoid regulation under Federal law. These accessories DO NOT cause thefirearm to shoot more than one shot by the single function of a trigger pull. The notion that ATF chose not to
    regulate an item it had the authority to regulate is false. The law is very clear and it does not currently allow
    ATF to regulate such accessories.

    In the past, ATF has reviewed accessories that DID cause a semi-automatic rifle or pistol to fire more than one
    shot with a single pull of the trigger, such as the Lightning Link, the Atkins Accelerator and other “Drop in
    Sears” which cause semi-automatic rifles to function as machine guns. ATF makes rulings based on the
    statutory authority contained in law and cannot change the law to add new accessories that do not fall within
    the scope of existing law.


    A link to many of these ATF rulings can be found at the following link:
    https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/at...dix-b/download

    If it is determined that bump slides and similar devices should be regulated, one way it could be accomplished is
    to support adding a new category to the National Firearms Act of 1934 allowing for the regulation of “multiburst trigger activators”. California and New York already regulate such items. The new category of Federal
    law would encompass other accessories on the market that make semi-automatic rifles fire like a machine gun
    but are engineered in a way to avoid regulation under current Federal law. These are commonly available for
    sale in firearms stores and on websites such as Rapidfiretriggers.net and Rockinlock.com.

    We hope you will support legislation to regulate these multi-burst trigger activators. As noted, the National
    Firearms Act of 1934 works well with the items that it regulates. We also hope you will not allow the honorable
    employees of ATF, who followed existing law in their bump stock ruling, to be falsely accused of not doing
    their job by those who seek to exploit the situation for political gain.

    Thank you for your time and attention. I look forward to your response.
    Sincerely,

    Michael R. Bouchard
    President, ATFA


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    Default Re: Oct 12, 2017 BATF letter saying Bump socks isn't a machine gun

    Sounds like a conflict that such current employees can engage in such lobbying.

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    Default Re: Oct 12, 2017 BATF letter saying Bump socks isn't a machine gun

    Turncoats.
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    Default Re: Oct 12, 2017 BATF letter saying Bump socks isn't a machine gun

    Sounds like they are putting the ball in the court of congress where it may be an uphill battle.
    "One must be a fox to recognize traps, and a lion to frighten wolves” ~ Machavelli

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    Default Re: Oct 12, 2017 BATF letter saying Bump socks isn't a machine gun

    The ATF made the right call under Obama, and made the right call again. Seriously, the definition of automatic fire is set in stone. One pull of the trigger allows you to fire more than one shot. That is not a what a bump stock does.

    I am glad they are not giving into public pressure what what some "feel" the law should be and mean. They are doing their job correctly and I applaud them for that.
    Proof Armed citizens make a difference. http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=316012

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    Default Re: Oct 12, 2017 BATF letter saying Bump socks isn't a machine gun

    He said "honorable ATF employees."

    I lol'ed.

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    Default Re: Oct 12, 2017 BATF letter saying Bump socks isn't a machine gun

    Good, maybe price will normalize. Don't want one, just like to see the gouging end over panic.

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    Default Re: Oct 12, 2017 BATF letter saying Bump socks isn't a machine gun

    Quote Originally Posted by internet troll View Post
    The ATF made the right call under Obama, and made the right call again. Seriously, the definition of automatic fire is set in stone. One pull of the trigger allows you to fire more than one shot. That is not a what a bump stock does.

    I am glad they are not giving into public pressure what what some "feel" the law should be and mean. They are doing their job correctly and I applaud them for that.
    But then they gave them an instruction manual on how to ban them, and encouraged them to do so.
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    Default Re: Oct 12, 2017 BATF letter saying Bump socks isn't a machine gun

    Quote Originally Posted by JustinHEMI View Post
    But then they gave them an instruction manual on how to ban them, and encouraged them to do so.
    Doh.... that's what I get for only skimming.
    Proof Armed citizens make a difference. http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=316012

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    Default Re: Oct 12, 2017 BATF letter saying Bump socks isn't a machine gun

    Quote Originally Posted by JustinHEMI View Post
    But then they gave them an instruction manual on how to ban them, and encouraged them to do so.
    still better than defacto bans by writing "opinion letters"........

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