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October 20th, 2017, 03:07 AM #31Grand Member
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October 20th, 2017, 07:18 AM #32Active Member
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Re: Buddy works for DHS in DC and found with lo0se rounds in backpack Advice for him
We were talking about this. He's a contractor so it probably won't apply. I've passed along the suggestions here. As of now he's a nervous wreck because there hasn't been any communication from anybody. He's on leave without pay at the moment.
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October 20th, 2017, 07:52 AM #33
Re: Buddy works for DHS in DC and found with lo0se rounds in backpack Advice for him
Your buddy has two distinct issues:
He broke DC law, which he would have done even if the bullets were expelled and he had just empty brass. Were the DC police involved once the ammo was discovered, or just building security?
Apparently he also broke a federal policy, bringing ammo into the building. As noted above, this might be negotiated away at the corporate/DHS level since he didn't have a firearm. If they like him, the work he does, and the firm he works for, he may still have a job. As noted above, clearances are expensive!
If he has DC police issues get a lawyer. The David Gregory defense may really be a viable option. I would also suggest he speak with HR and get a feel for their take on the situation; are they a friend or enemy? They may be his best advocate in discussions with DHS, or they may want to protect a contract. HR doesn't always want to spend the time or money to replace him, and someone at a higher level may see this situation as rediculous as we see it.Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.
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October 20th, 2017, 08:23 AM #34Grand Member
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Re: Buddy works for DHS in DC and found with lo0se rounds in backpack Advice for him
HR. IS. NEVER. YOUR. FRIEND.
their job isn't to protect/help you; their job is to protect/help the COMPANY that pays them.
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October 20th, 2017, 09:02 AM #35
Re: Buddy works for DHS in DC and found with lo0se rounds in backpack Advice for him
That's a damn shame, there is just no latitude for honest, harmless mistakes anymore.
Gender confusion is a mental illness
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October 20th, 2017, 09:44 AM #36
Re: Buddy works for DHS in DC and found with lo0se rounds in backpack Advice for him
Time to find a better job. When you work with kids expect to be treated as such.
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October 20th, 2017, 02:20 PM #37Junior Member
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Re: Buddy works for DHS in DC and found with lo0se rounds in backpack Advice for him
You're right Chutestrate and Dennis
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October 20th, 2017, 02:29 PM #38
Re: Buddy works for DHS in DC and found with lo0se rounds in backpack Advice for him
Over the past few years my company does the same thing.
Make a mistake on some paperwork? Suspension
A few minutes late to work more than once in a year? Suspension.
Someone says they think you said something "offensive". Suspension.
And our union does absolutely nothing to protect us."One must be a fox to recognize traps, and a lion to frighten wolves” ~ Machiavelli
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October 20th, 2017, 02:51 PM #39Super Member
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Re: Buddy works for DHS in DC and found with lo0se rounds in backpack Advice for him
he should not have talked them with out lawyer in the 1st place . get a criminal lawyer to find out what is going on . longer it drags out the better chance the dc commies may find out about .
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October 20th, 2017, 02:57 PM #40Grand Member
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Re: Buddy works for DHS in DC and found with lo0se rounds in backpack Advice for him
It sounds like he doesn't actually work for DHS but is really a contractor. If he was DHS he may have some protections. Contractors, however; are "at will" employees that work for an agency that is paid to provide a service (anything from janitorial to geospatial intelligence). When a contractor breaks a rule, especially a security violation, they are a concern. This usually results in what is referred to as a derog report (short for derogatory). Derog reports can be generated over mundane events such as bouncing a check for rent. Unfortunately this is a process that needs to happen. The 2013 Navy Yard shooter, Aaron Alexis, would not have had his job at the time of the shooting if his supervisors had done their job and filed derog reports. I totally get that you trust your buddy but he took on a higher level of responsibility when he accepted a job with a TS clearance. He had one job that morning and he screwed it up... that job was gaining access to his work location without presenting as a security risk.
For all those that will come back at me that this "security risk" is bullshit.... This is real. Real world events have proven that those wishing to commit to bad acts will perform test runs. From a security management perspective this is a classic probe of security. Terrorists and criminals will start out slow and small such as trying to get a knife, ammo, toy gun, pepper spray, etc... through the security checks. They try with items that they think can be easily explained away. "Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize I left that empty Glock mag in my backpack". Lazy/undertrained/uneducated security guards will buy into the excuse. They may confiscate the item but all too many times they let the violator go.
Four years ago there were a whole lot of people on PAFOA asking how Aaron Alexis managed to get a shotgun onto the Wash DC Navy Yard. He took it in piece by piece and round by round over multiple days. He did this intentionally so if he was searched the security guards may miss the item or not recognize the significance.
I'm sorry to hear your friend got jammed up but he should have been more careful. He accepted a job in a work environment that inspects bags. He got complacent and they caught the ammo. The guard that found this deserves some praise. Sure, he/she was performing their job and it's a pretty basic task. For those that have never performed a body search, worked a magnometer or an x-ray I will tell you it isn't as easy as you think. There are hundreds of places to hide items and lots of ways to mask metal signatures. An x-ray (if that was used in this case) is one dimensional. Trying to find stuff in an x-ray image is like trying to read the pattern on a ceramic plate covered in spaghetti.
Like most of us here I spend a lot of time reloading, at the range, or walking the aisles of the gun shows. 90% of my days involve carrying a bag with some kind of shooting related stuff. I have a recurring dream that I go through the security line at the airport and some minimum wage TSA screener finds one of my handguns from a recent range trip. Trust me when I tell you I spend a lot of time inspecting every single corner of my bags when I'm packing for a flight or planning a stop at any number of military installations I find myself at for work. If I don't I'll be that guy worrying about losing my clearance, my commission, my job, the weapon/ammo, and an endless list of other unpleasant business.
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