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    Default Democrats Introduce Bills to Ban Online Ammo Sales / Magazine Ban / Stricter Report..

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    via Guns.com
    SOURCE: http://www.guns.com/2017/10/13/house...ales-ban-mags/

    Bills of Interest:
    HR 3999 Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, Homeland Security, and Investigations. 10/19/2017
    HR 3962 Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, Homeland Security, and Investigations. 10/19/2017
    HR 4025 Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary. 10/7/2017
    HR 4052 Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, Homeland Security, and Investigations. 10/19/2017

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    HR 3962
    HR 4025
    HR 4052

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guns.com
    House Democrats have introduced a number of new gun control measures in the wake of a deadly mass shooting in Las Vegas.

    Among the proposals are HR.3962 to ban online ammunition sales, H.R. 4025 requiring gun dealers to report the sale of two or more rifles to the same person in a five-day period, and HR. 4052, which would ban magazines able to hold greater than 10 rounds.

    Several of my colleagues and I have introduced commonsense legislation that, if enacted, would reduce gun violence and the tragic impact it has on our communities,” said U.S. Rep. Bonnie Watson Coleman, the New Jersey Democrat sponsoring the Stop Online Ammunition Sales Act.

    Coleman’s proposal is much like a state law approved last year by voters in California in the respect that it would require federally licensed ammo dealers to directly confirm the identity of those buying ammo over the Internet by verifying a photo I.D. in-person. Also, the measure would require the vendor to report any individual sales of more than 1,000 rounds in a five-day period to the U.S. Attorney General. Garnering 29 co-sponsors, all Democrat, the measure has been referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary.

    Gun reporting

    The Multiple Firearm Sales Reporting Modernization Act, sponsored by U.S. Rep. Norma Torres, D-Calf., would require FFLs to report the sale of two or more long guns to the same buyer within a five-day period to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives.

    Currently, dealers must report multiple handgun sales while a 2011 rule that requires only dealers in Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas report multiple rifle sales. Under the new proposal, it would be the law of the land.

    “This bill is a long-overdue update,” said Torres. “Our law enforcement agencies need to know if anyone is stocking up on AR-15s and AK-47s.”

    The measure, referred to the Judiciary Committee, has three co-sponsors including Nevada Democrat Dina Titus, whose district includes Las Vegas.

    Magazine restrictions

    Billed as the Keep Americans Safe Act, Connecticut’s Elizabeth Etsy would ban detachable magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds. Backed by several gun control groups including the Brady Campaign and the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, Esty contends it is needed for public safety.

    “There is simply no good reason why sportsmen and women need more than 10 rounds in a magazine,” said Esty in a statement. “No sportsman or woman needs 30 rounds to kill a deer. It’s shameful that we protect our deer better than we protect our people.

    Referred to the Judiciary committee, Esty’s bill has 85 partisan supporters including virtually Nevada’s entire delegation to the House apart from U.S. Rep. Mark Amodei, a Republican whose district hails from the more conservative Northern part of the state including Reno and Carson City.

    The bills join measures to ban bump stocks and other devices that can accelerate a gun’s rate of fire, mandates for smart gun use, expanded background check proposals and efforts to increase federal funding for gun crime research, all introduced in the past two weeks.
    Call your representatives, contact co-sponsors, contact sponsors and tell them no. If they want mine they can come and get them.
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    No sportsman or woman needs 30 rounds to kill a deer.
    That's very true.

    30 round magazines are for killing agents of tyranny and criminals.

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    They smell blood in the water. I wonder what has made them so bold... it couldn't have anything to do with the NRA's statement and RINOs coming out in favor of gun control, could it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tacticalreload View Post
    They smell blood in the water. I wonder what has made them so bold... it couldn't have anything to do with the NRA's statement and RINOs coming out in favor of gun control, could it?
    No, it has everything to do with Congress not getting a f__king thing done in the past 11 years except passing Obamacare, and the Dems taking a drubbing in the 2016 election. The have to do SOMETHING so that electors will see some action and keep them in office. This LV shooter crisis is one that the Dems and Rinos can't let go to waste.

    Its the political version of "Oh look! Something shiny!"

    Noah
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    A laundry list of gun laws that in the end no one will agree upon. Some say too restrictive others say not restrictive enough. And the pro gun politicians will "poison" the water by adding national carry legislation to the anti laws, just as sure the antis have poisoned pro gun legislation over the years. The Las Vegas tragedy has become an incident where due to limiting information shared with the public on the event, people have less trust in the government than ever before. This distrust will make any legislation regarding draconian and unenforceable gun laws even less likely. 60 yes votes in the Senate for a large number of anti gun versions than one could imagine, along with getting a house version passed by both chambers.... Slow and difficult process. Whatever the case, it is obvious that any proposed legislation will go far beyond bump fire devices and there in lies the problems for the antis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c45man View Post
    A laundry list of gun laws that in the end no one will agree upon. Some say too restrictive others say not restrictive enough. And the pro gun politicians will "poison" the water by adding national carry legislation to the anti laws, just as sure the antis have poisoned pro gun legislation over the years. The Las Vegas tragedy has become an incident where due to limiting information shared with the public on the event, people have less trust in the government than ever before. This distrust will make any legislation regarding draconian and unenforceable gun laws even less likely. 60 yes votes in the Senate for a large number of anti gun versions than one could imagine, along with getting a house version passed by both chambers.... Slow and difficult process. Whatever the case, it is obvious that any proposed legislation will go far beyond bump fire devices and there in lies the problems for the antis.
    In general, I agree with you... and hope that that is the outcome... nothing.

    However, the idea that there is "limited information shared with the public" on the LV shooting here and now as of only a week and half into the investigation (an investigation that demonstrates the difficulty of various people to even get their stories aligned), is premature. Quite frankly, I'm of the belief that the Feds or the LVMPD or the NHP or whomever is involved should focus on figuring out what happened instead of being overly concerned about what is or is not told to the general public. If this had been a homicide where one guy killed one guy in a hotel, there would be next to zero information released to the public at this point. Just because this is a much higher profile case doesn't mean that we are all entitled to some exclusive step-by-step information about the way the investigation is proceeding.

    You say that limited information shared with the public leads to less trust in the government... I would suggest that a lack of trust in the government leads to a dissatisfaction with the level of information released. And that dissatisfaction would be there if they release no info or a little bit of info or a medium amount of info... and if ALL the info was released, then the people with distrust for the government would just suggest that it was fabricated and not real or a false flag or whatever. At the end of the day, there is no level of publicly available information that will be satisfactory to everyone... not a day later, not a week and half later, and not a year later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tacticalreload View Post
    In general, I agree with you... and hope that that is the outcome... nothing.

    However, the idea that there is "limited information shared with the public" on the LV shooting here and now as of only a week and half into the investigation (an investigation that demonstrates the difficulty of various people to even get their stories aligned), is premature. Quite frankly, I'm of the belief that the Feds or the LVMPD or the NHP or whomever is involved should focus on figuring out what happened instead of being overly concerned about what is or is not told to the general public. If this had been a homicide where one guy killed one guy in a hotel, there would be next to zero information released to the public at this point. Just because this is a much higher profile case doesn't mean that we are all entitled to some exclusive step-by-step information about the way the investigation is proceeding.

    You say that limited information shared with the public leads to less trust in the government... I would suggest that a lack of trust in the government leads to a dissatisfaction with the level of information released. And that dissatisfaction would be there if they release no info or a little bit of info or a medium amount of info... and if ALL the info was released, then the people with distrust for the government would just suggest that it was fabricated and not real or a false flag or whatever. At the end of the day, there is no level of publicly available information that will be satisfactory to everyone... not a day later, not a week and half later, and not a year later.
    Points well taken. The government aspect was not meant to be the main focus of my post.

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    veto

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    Quote Originally Posted by c45man View Post
    Points well taken. The government aspect was not meant to be the main focus of my post.
    My apologies... I get drawn off topic sometimes. ;-)

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