Ten Republicans Sign On to House Bump Fire Stock Ban Bill 3 from PA

[tacticalreload]

I didn't know that. Best news I've heard all week!

People like Dent and McCain are a perfect example of what happens when politicians no longer care about reelection. The true colors come out.

The final nail in the coffin of "rate increasing devices" was hammered about 95% of the way in when the NRA issued their bullshit statement. When the organization that the anti-gunners effectively consider the leader of the unreasonable gun nuts blesses this kind of thing, well, that's a done deal. The fact that this is happening NOW with the current make up of the House, the Senate, POTUS, and SCOTUS -- being introduced with "Republican" support and bolstered by an NRA that says these items "...should be subject to additional regulation" -- that should tell you that no one can be counted on to give a shit about protecting your rights. God helps those that help themselves so start calling. Start typing. Start emailing. Fill social media sites. Visit your local Federal governmental official's office and tell them how you feel about this legislation. Call the NRA and make sure that they know that you feel they share blame in this atrocity. Tell every damn person who just might give a shit exactly what they need to do -- and that is call / write their congressmen. Explain why this is bad and why it's not just about some stupid overpriced gimmick range toy.

There is NO grandfathering in this bill. There is NO specifics about what it really bans. Like I have been screaming since the second the NRA came out with their bullshit statement, this opens the door to a level of subjectivity that allows anyone in a position of power to make a judgement call on "how fast is too fast"... and I PROMISE YOU that you will not like what someone like Obama or Hillary or Biden would have to say about that.

Here we all are circlejerking around the idea of getting national reciprocity or deregulation of suppressors in exchange for giving up bump fire stocks... yeah, now look at how that is working out for us. Once full auto no longer equals one pull / more than one bullet... hell, you better get ready for all kinds of shit to go right into the "illegal to own" bucket. The NRA owns this. The Republicans own this. If you fell into the "I don't give a shit about bump fire stocks so who cares" crowd, then YOU own this. So do something about it while you still can by making it known that you will not vote for anyone who supports this kind of legislation.

When you talk to your governmental officials, don't be an asshole and don't just make angry threats because that will get you nowhere (except maybe arrested). Be polite. Be well spoken. But be clear about what your opinion is, and why you feel this way. Don't just pound the table and yell about "my rights, my rights, my rights"... instead, make sure that you are clear about the slippery slope. Finally, remind them that you vote and that you have a long memory and a lot of free time on your hands. The best motivator for a politician is the idea that maybe he/she won't be able to keep his job after the next election cycle.

If this shit gets passed, especially in 2017, it would be absolutely embarrassing.

[rellisonii]

Toomey is supporting gun control again


October 11, 2017

Dear
Thank you for contacting me about national firearms policy in the wake of the recent mass shooting in Las Vegas, Nevada. As someone who has been a leader in sensible, bipartisan efforts to expand background checks for gun purchases and stop terrorists from purchasing firearms, I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue.
On October 1, 2017, America suffered the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history. The shooter, Stephen Paddock, opened fire from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino on thousands of concertgoers at an outdoor music festival. He killed 58 people and wounded over 500.
Like all Americans, I was horrified to learn about the mass murder of innocent civilians. The heinous attack in Las Vegas was a tragedy and the work of a madman. I am grateful for the brave first responders and good Samaritans who acted swiftly and selflessly, charging towards danger to protect others, as well as the medical professionals who continue to care for the wounded.
Since the massacre, there have been renewed calls for legislation to confront gun violence. Sadly, this attack is not the only mass shooting we have seen in recent years, and my heart goes out to the victims and their loved ones. I believe that Congress can and should take steps to address this issue.
In the days following the Orlando massacre, I was one of the few Republican Senators who spoke on the Senate floor about the need to stop terrorists from buying guns and I voted for bipartisan legislation to bar those on the terrorist "No-Fly List" from purchasing firearms. I also introduced my own legislation, the Fighting Terrorism and Upholding Due Process Act (S. 3069), which would give the Attorney General the flexibility to stop any terrorist from purchasing a firearm, as well as the authority to establish a court-reviewed list of suspected terrorists, such as individuals on the terrorist "No-Fly List," who would be barred from lawfully buying a gun. My proposal would provide two layers of due process: (1) meaningful judicial review to help ensure that innocent Americans are not wrongfully placed on a suspected terrorist list; and (2) for those who are still mistakenly barred from buying a gun, the ability to challenge such a decision in court (including receiving compensation for attorney's fees if the challenge is successful).
Further, in 2013, I introduced a bipartisan amendment, along with Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV), to the Safe Communities, Safe Schools Act of 2013 (S. 649). Our amendment had three parts. The first two parts were designed to make it more difficult for criminals and dangerously mentally ill persons to acquire firearms. Specifically, the first part would have improved state compliance with the existing National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). The second part would have expanded background checks for gun sales to include commercial sales at gun shows or through the Internet. The third part of our amendment would have provided law abiding citizens with expanded opportunities to exercise their Second Amendment Rights.
I share your concerns regarding the role of firearms in the tragedy in Las Vegas. We must work together to forge a bipartisan consensus on gun safety, rather than talk past one another with partisan rhetoric. In my view, keeping guns out of the hands of terrorists, convicted criminals, and the dangerously mentally ill is not gun control, but a common sense public safety measure that is fully consistent with my strong support of Second Amendment rights. I remain committed to working with my Senate colleagues to find sensible, bipartisan solutions to address gun safety.
Thank you again for your correspondence. Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future if I can be of assistance.
Sincerely,

Signature
Pat Toomey
U.S. Senator, Pennsylvania

[Sgt.K]

Toomey is supporting gun control again


October 11, 2017

Dear
Thank you for contacting me about national firearms policy in the wake of the recent mass shooting in Las Vegas, Nevada.
<snip>
Sincerely,

Signature
Pat Toomey
U.S. Senator, Pennsylvania

I'm getting awfully damn close to wrapping a real pineapple in real rusty barbed wire and sending to him with instructions:
Rusty Pineapple - Inst.jpg

[Didnotcomply89]

Costello signing onto this bill was a slap in my face. He is no longer my representative but I will donate to his (R) rival in the primary, pending they aren't of the same persuasion on gun control.

[dkf]

So fucking tired of this shit.... Politicians are like Negan, they want all of your shit. Period!

[GeneCC]

Toomey is supporting gun control again


October 11, 2017

Dear
Thank you for contacting me about national firearms policy in the wake of the recent mass shooting in Las Vegas, Nevada. As someone who has been a leader in sensible, bipartisan efforts to expand background checks for gun purchases and stop terrorists from purchasing firearms, I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue.
On October 1, 2017, America suffered the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history. The shooter, Stephen Paddock, opened fire from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino on thousands of concertgoers at an outdoor music festival. He killed 58 people and wounded over 500.
Like all Americans, I was horrified to learn about the mass murder of innocent civilians. The heinous attack in Las Vegas was a tragedy and the work of a madman. I am grateful for the brave first responders and good Samaritans who acted swiftly and selflessly, charging towards danger to protect others, as well as the medical professionals who continue to care for the wounded.
Since the massacre, there have been renewed calls for legislation to confront gun violence. Sadly, this attack is not the only mass shooting we have seen in recent years, and my heart goes out to the victims and their loved ones. I believe that Congress can and should take steps to address this issue.
In the days following the Orlando massacre, I was one of the few Republican Senators who spoke on the Senate floor about the need to stop terrorists from buying guns and I voted for bipartisan legislation to bar those on the terrorist "No-Fly List" from purchasing firearms. I also introduced my own legislation, the Fighting Terrorism and Upholding Due Process Act (S. 3069), which would give the Attorney General the flexibility to stop any terrorist from purchasing a firearm, as well as the authority to establish a court-reviewed list of suspected terrorists, such as individuals on the terrorist "No-Fly List," who would be barred from lawfully buying a gun. My proposal would provide two layers of due process: (1) meaningful judicial review to help ensure that innocent Americans are not wrongfully placed on a suspected terrorist list; and (2) for those who are still mistakenly barred from buying a gun, the ability to challenge such a decision in court (including receiving compensation for attorney's fees if the challenge is successful).
Further, in 2013, I introduced a bipartisan amendment, along with Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV), to the Safe Communities, Safe Schools Act of 2013 (S. 649). Our amendment had three parts. The first two parts were designed to make it more difficult for criminals and dangerously mentally ill persons to acquire firearms. Specifically, the first part would have improved state compliance with the existing National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). The second part would have expanded background checks for gun sales to include commercial sales at gun shows or through the Internet. The third part of our amendment would have provided law abiding citizens with expanded opportunities to exercise their Second Amendment Rights.
I share your concerns regarding the role of firearms in the tragedy in Las Vegas. We must work together to forge a bipartisan consensus on gun safety, rather than talk past one another with partisan rhetoric. In my view, keeping guns out of the hands of terrorists, convicted criminals, and the dangerously mentally ill is not gun control, but a common sense public safety measure that is fully consistent with my strong support of Second Amendment rights. I remain committed to working with my Senate colleagues to find sensible, bipartisan solutions to address gun safety.
Thank you again for your correspondence. Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future if I can be of assistance.
Sincerely,

Signature
Pat Toomey
U.S. Senator, Pennsylvania

The largest mass shooting in US history was the Wounded Knee Massacre. About 300 dead, who were shot by the Army for refusing to turn over their firearms without any struggle. Senator Toomey's history is as deficient as his understanding of "due process".

I'm not a lawyer. That being said, my understanding is that Due Process involves 1. Allegations of a crime, 2. A trial 3. if found guilty, punishment. The only exception being to hold people in custody to insure that they stand trial.

Due Process is not as far as I know, 1. Allegations of a crime 2. Denial of rights or property 3. A trial.

This "gun safety" crap is right out of the Everytown playbook.

Mr. Toomey needs reminded of who helped him win election and who will support his work in the Senate. Free hint - the people who are into "gun safety" are more often than not going to vote for Democrats. A Republican in a Democrat controlled Senate is not going to get good committee posts and preference on their bill.

In contrast, an angry electorate who puts firebreathing Conservatives into the Senate are not going to support Pat either. The pending contest in Alabama with Judge Moore ought to be a strong caution to the Pat Toomey RINOs out there to "be careful what you work for". Pat won't like working with four or five GOPers like Judge Moore.

[Wildbill990]

Here's the bill HR 3999 on popvox https://www.popvox.com/us/federal/bills/115/hr3999

If you signup, you can use the site to find bills you support or oppose and it automates an email to your reps/senators on your stance. You should also be calling their asses to remind them who's in charge, us! Get out there, write, call, and put the pressure on. Tell them to vote NO on HR 3999.

You can throw SHARE act at them while you're at it and pressure them to put it back on the calendar to vote on.

Can you put the link in the OP please?

[GeneCC]

There is NO specifics about what it really bans. Like I have been screaming since the second the NRA came out with their bullshit statement, this opens the door to a level of subjectivity that allows anyone in a position of power to make a judgement call on "how fast is too fast"... and I PROMISE YOU that you will not like what someone like Obama or Hillary or Biden would have to say about that.

If it was just "Bump Stocks" I'd be like "this ain't cool"..


The idea that a law gets to decide what is "too fast" bugs me a lot. You could ban anything but single shot firearms with no magazines under this criteria.

[bluetrane2028]

My letter, please critique and I'll send. Feel free to copy if it makes sense to you.

"I'm not sure there is any set of laws that could have prevented it."
~Dianne Feinstein
Las Vegas Shooting 2017

To whom it may concern,

The open ended bills being proposed in the wake of the Las Vegas shooting, nebulously suggesting the ban of bump fire devices, will do nothing to prevent further attack. Even Dianne Feinstein, the gun control Queen herself, admits it. What they will do, however, is quickly lead to a ban on all semi-automatic weapons in posession by millions of law abiding citizens nationwide. The "rate increasing device" is the fact that a semi can load itself. Any semi can be bump fired with no additional device at all, just a finger. Having our weapons removed will only leave we, the people, defenseless from enemies both foreign and domestic, while the elites exist in comfort surrounded by hired muscle. In good consience, I cannot let this happen without letting my voice be heard. Myself and millions of people who agree with me will ensure that anyone who votes for further gun control will not get our support in the future, and work tirelessy to make sure that those politicians no longer have jobs.

Respectfully,
BlueTrane2028

[GeneCC]

Unfortunately he's my Rep and listens as well as a Philly Dem (or Senator from our fine Commonwealth).

Pat Toomey at least tries to sound nice. I saw his last note posted here. Less like "You gun nuts need to sit down and shut up" and more "I'm with Everytown cause Mike Bloomberg has deep pockets".

Bob Casey has to be more Democrat than Democrat. He's not into the abortion thing at all. Like his late Dad he picks on 'gun nuts' so that the Democrats won't blow him off.