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    Default Re: Road rage leads to gun pulled, motorcycle run over

    Quote Originally Posted by free View Post
    Of course. The had just been assaulted by a deadly weapon (driver intentionally rammed him, causing him to crash), then had been assaulted again by the driver when he hit him in the head, and the driver was making his attention clear that he was looking to engage in additional assaults (trying to get him to fight).

    As far as I am concerned, the motorcyclist was justified in shooting the driver dead.

    That said, pulling up next to driver and tell him to use his turn signals was a dumbass move. What did he think that would accomplish?
    I my opinion; the motorcyclist was justified in drawing his firearm.

    HOWEVER
    The action of him pulling up next to the driver COULD be used against him.
    In that it could be argued he started the whole situation by this action.
    And since he started the situation; he is not justified in drawing his weapon.

    OR
    It could be argued this whole story is actually two different situations.
    And it's the sedan that started the situation in question.
    And the motorcyclist is justified in drawing his weapon.
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    Default Re: Road rage leads to gun pulled, motorcycle run over

    Quote Originally Posted by ett View Post
    I my opinion; the motorcyclist was justified in drawing his firearm.

    HOWEVER
    The action of him pulling up next to the driver COULD be used against him.
    In that it could be argued he started the whole situation by this action.
    And since he started the situation;
    he is not justified in drawing his weapon.
    The driver of the car "started" the situation by cutting off the motorcyclist and, apparently, not using his turn signals.

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    Default Re: Road rage leads to gun pulled, motorcycle run over

    Quote Originally Posted by free View Post
    The driver of the car "started" the situation by cutting off the motorcyclist and, apparently, not using his turn signals.
    Plus there is nothing illegal about telling as assjack to use their turn signals. But there is something illegal about chasing then ramming someone, then smacking them upside the head.

    The guy should have just shot them because as we learnt earlier on this forum, defensive displays don't work.
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    all you get is ridicule, laughter,
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    Default Re: Road rage leads to gun pulled, motorcycle run over

    Quote Originally Posted by sota View Post
    More and more I see motorcyclists with cameras on their helmets. I think that's a great idea. Sad that it's needed, but great that they are. I'm also going to re-double my efforts to figure out how to more often wear this body camera I bought a while back.
    A camera is the cheapest and most truthful witness you can have.
    Gotta stay awake, gotta try and shake off this creeping malaise

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    Default Re: Road rage leads to gun pulled, motorcycle run over

    Quote Originally Posted by ett View Post
    I my opinion; the motorcyclist was justified in drawing his firearm.

    HOWEVER
    The action of him pulling up next to the driver COULD be used against him.
    In that it could be argued he started the whole situation by this action.
    And since he started the situation; he is not justified in drawing his weapon.

    OR
    It could be argued this whole story is actually two different situations.
    And it's the sedan that started the situation in question.
    And the motorcyclist is justified in drawing his weapon.
    Pulling up along side of the car does not excuse the car driver for rear ending the bike or getting out of his car to strike the biker. There is one story only here. Car driver assaults biker with car and fist. Game over.

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    Default Re: Road rage leads to gun pulled, motorcycle run over

    Quote Originally Posted by allenr View Post
    Pulling up along side of the car does not excuse the car driver for rear ending the bike or getting out of his car to strike the biker. There is one story only here. Car driver assaults biker with car and fist. Game over.
    I wonder if that biker is riding like some of the bikers I have seen lately. Splitting lanes, driving between slow moving vehicles and zipping up the shoulder.

    Doesn’t excuse the drivers behavior, but it may explain why the biker was cut off.

    There is always two sides to the story and then the truth.

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    Default Re: Road rage leads to gun pulled, motorcycle run over

    Quote Originally Posted by Carson View Post
    I wonder if that biker is riding like some of the bikers I have seen lately. Splitting lanes, driving between slow moving vehicles and zipping up the shoulder.

    Doesn’t excuse the drivers behavior, but it may explain why the biker was cut off.

    There is always two sides to the story and then the truth.

    Riding like that is safer for someone on a motorcycle than going with the flow of traffic, it also creates less traffic for everyone.

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    Default Re: Road rage leads to gun pulled, motorcycle run over

    Quote Originally Posted by allenr View Post
    I think presenting the gun was justifiable. The aggressor was guilty of assault and battery and assaualt by motor vehicle. He displayed his evil intent when he exited the car and punched the cycle driver.
    Beg to differ. He showed his evil intent when he actively and intentionally used his 4000lb weapon against the motorcyclist.
    Last edited by Sgt.K; October 2nd, 2017 at 12:27 AM. Reason: typo

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    Default Re: Road rage leads to gun pulled, motorcycle run over

    Yup. Hitting the motorcyclist with a vehicle does show evil intent. I would think if you hit a cop car like that they would draw their weapon on the driver, so he has more than enough justification to draw his weapon.

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    Default Re: Road rage leads to gun pulled, motorcycle run over

    Quote Originally Posted by raxar View Post
    Riding like that is safer for someone on a motorcycle than going with the flow of traffic, it also creates less traffic for everyone.
    Splitting lanes and zipping up the shoulder is not safe driving.
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