Brandishing and firing off a shot?

[spandexlurch]

And professional gun slingers that rack the slide when it's time to get serious, even better when it's more than one time in the middle of being serious. Or 1911s that fire when the hammer is down, or guns that lock back after one shot because the prop master loaded one squib for the scene. I hate watching gun use in most movies and TV, it just make me cringe.

Oh man, watching the walking dead irritates the hell out of me. Very first episode Rick tells another officer to make sure there is a round in the chamber and that the safety is off on a GLOCK. Then every time he pulls out that big honkin revolver of his you hear a click like he pulled the hammer back, but rarely ever does. Ugh. Last one, Scarface, when he says that famous line at the end and shoots the 203 grenade launcher through the door. Impossible, a 40mm grenade has a built in safety and it has to rotate a set number of times before it will detonate and that room was too small. I know this because for the short time I was in the Michigan Army National Guard I was a 203 grenadier. Hate firearms use in movies and TV.

[RockIsland]

I just feel bad for the schmoe getting billed by philibuster to play on the interweb

Really?

The core of your argument, is attacking anyone who disagrees with you.

Nobody pays Phil for the time and effort he puts in here to educate people on gun laws in PA. His advice is worth a lot more than you pay for it. I appreciate it very much, and am glad I don't have to foot his hourly rate for it.

I actually think this is some of GL's best work, and that's saying something.

Perhaps you just don't understand the discussion. Let me explain.

Every day, innocent people are attacked by bad people.

Sometimes, the attack is so severe that it justifies the use of deadly force. Much more often, the attack justifies a lesser response, like non-deadly force, or warnings.

When you as the innocent person observe an attack becoming likely, there's usually a timeline involved. The other person wants to rob you just because you have money, or he wants to rape you because you're a woman, or he wants to kill you because you cut him off in traffic. Whatever the facts, in many cases the threat becomes apparent before the assault takes place.

If someone is actively trying to kill, rape, kidnap or maim you, you may draw your gun and shoot him if required to stop him. That's not your only option. You can retreat, if possible, and sometimes you are REQUIRED to retreat, even in PA. I posted the law for you to examine, and I assume you did because you never commented on your mistake again.

You can also scare him off sometimes. The beauty of that option is that (a) you can usually do that before you'd be justified in killing him, and (b) your burden of proof to justify that is much lower, and (c) nobody dies.

Now, you threw up some strawman arguments here, but nobody's saying that we all get a pass for "waving guns at people without cause". We're saying that people successfully use defensive displays of firearms much more often than they defensively shoot or kill attackers.

What's the evidence for that? Every source we can find admits/claims that between 80K and over 3 million times per year, guns are used defensively. We also have FBI numbers that tell us that only a few thousand people are killed by gunfire every year, maybe 10,000, and most of those are criminal homicides. We also know from other sources that 90% of non-head shot gunfire victims survive, while only 10% of head shots are survivable.

We have anecdotal evidence in news stories reprinted by the NRA. Many of us have personal tales, or have friends with such tales, of scaring off bad guys by showing a gun.

We have common sense, that if an attacker based his attack on you being unarmed and helpless, then showing a gun would deter him.

In contrast, we have Bartleby the Scrivener's argument, "I'd prefer not to" believe that evidence. But you have no contradictory evidence of your own. You don't have PA cases where people were convicted for "waving guns" at attackers unless they were in the middle of a drug deal or they provoked the attack. Find me a single case of a non-prohibited homeowner prosecuted and convicted for scaring an intruder by waving a gun at him.

In England, sure, they'll nail your ass just for having the gun. They tell the sheep over there that self-defense is not an excuse to hurt someone.

We don't live in England.

Show me the evidence that a defensive display against an imminent attack has ever been prosecuted successfully in Pennsylvania, where the ONLY bad thing done by the victim was "waving the gun" at the attacker. To be fair, make it in this century, since you seem to feel that anything before 2000 was the Stone Age.

Otherwise, you should probably stop arguing the law with a lawyer. I'll accept better evidence, like case law or statute, but I won't let you get away with calling factual evidence "opinion", like that jackass in the movie...

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I for one, would like to thank our Dutch uncle overlord.

[GunLawyer001]

. . .
I for one, would like to thank our Dutch uncle overlord.

Yeah, I was trying for "avuncular".

[internet troll]

We need to get this guy to weigh in since he uses a combination of shooting criminals and warning shots.

http://wfla.com/2017/09/21/florida-s...s-stolen-beer/

Florida store owner fires warning shot at thief, who returns stolen beer

COCOA, Fla. (AP) -- Police say a Florida gas station owner chased a man and fired a warning shot, forcing him to return some stolen beer.

Orlando television station WESH reports it was the fourth time store owner Sowann Suy used his gun in defense of his store in the Atlantic coast community of Cocoa.

Suy, who's dubbed "Clint Eastwood" by friends, told the station he fired the shot Wednesday after the man took the beers and threatened to beat him up.

Records show Suy shot a suspect in the stomach at the store in 2009 and chased off another suspected robber the following year.

In 2016, Suy wounded one man and two others were arrested during a botched robbery.

Cocoa police spokeswoman Barbara Matthews says Suy has "a perfect right to defend himself."

[fallenleader]

I saw that on a show or movie this week, drives me nuts!

Some woman raised a gun and the act of pointing it make a racking sound, without racking it!

yep. or the guns that magically reload or fire off some 30 rounds without needing reloaded. like the 30rnd revolvers.
that being said, maybe she just had a really crappy model that rattled about? lol.

I think we've all established that in the real world, people often successfully use defensive displays to stop aggressors.

yes and there will always be a situation where your firearm is already drawn. a strange noise or feeling. a home entry and etc. (brandishing)
there will also be times when you miss which would qualify for the latter. (firing off a shot)
if you got time to play games, it's unlikely you will have a strong defense when your slapped with whatever they can try to get to stick.

[Berncly]

Now I'm hungry :|
Roast duck is yumminess

[streaker69]

Okayyyyy I just did and a duck fell out of the sky. What to do with it now?


Here's the picture I just took.

Fell out of the sky with it's feet tied together?

[HKusp 45]

Okayyyyy I just did and a duck fell out of the sky. What to do with it now?


Here's the picture I just took.

just to keep it from going sideways I'd say eat the evidence for safe measure.

[internet troll]

Fell out of the sky with it's feet tied together?

Must have been doing a breast stroke.

[cdi]

You must have had a rough beat.

Yeah well, I liked that beat, but you can't dance to it.
Oh, and another thing. The rape whistles mentioned in this thread are a total rip off.
No matter how loud I blow the damn thing I still don't get raped.