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September 20th, 2017, 08:56 AM #61
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September 20th, 2017, 09:13 AM #62Grand Member
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Re: Brandishing and firing off a shot?
a. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/rhetorical
2. So "brandishing" is an effective technique used by LE?
thirdly, "Brandishing" prohibited in some places, by law, because ....??? Second Class Citizens?American by BIRTH, Infidel by CHOICE
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September 20th, 2017, 10:59 AM #63
Re: Brandishing and firing off a shot?
Galations 6:9...And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up.
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September 20th, 2017, 11:15 AM #64Banned
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September 20th, 2017, 11:24 AM #65
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All right, let's use the low end figure, then. I think that's somewhere in the area of 80,000 defensive gun uses a year, and that's from someone with a pro gun control agenda, so I would imagine that would be grossly deflated, but whatever. So, we've got tens of thousands of "nonsensical" scenarios playing out per year in this case. That's either a lot of inaccurate lead flying since the dead/wounded numbers don't add up, or a lot of situations where the mere show of force ended an encounter before it got bloody.
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September 20th, 2017, 12:20 PM #66
Re: Brandishing and firing off a shot?
SLAM
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September 20th, 2017, 12:29 PM #67
Re: Brandishing and firing off a shot?
"Brandishing" without justification is already illegal in PA, but not called that; if you bring a gun into play in a threatening manner without legal need, you can be charged with reckless endangerment, assault, terroristic threats, disorderly conduct....you can't be arguing with your auto mechanic about prices and then pull a gun and wave it at him. You can peacefully OC without breaking PA law (nb: don't try it in any of the other states around these parts.)
Nobody here has been arguing in favor of a right to scare innocent people with guns.
What some of us HAVE been doing is pointing out that the introduction of a firearm by the would-be victim is quite often useful in preventing an imminent assault. These aren't nonsensical scenarios, any NRA member has read about some of them every month. John Lott did methodical research and interviews and determined that it happens millions of times per year. It's not only common sense to believe that bullies will flee when outgunned and that home invaders will reverse course upon encountering an armed homeowner, there's massive empirical evidence that they do so every day of every week.
As for police "brandishing" or "waving guns around", anyone who's been paying attention knows that the number of times that police guns are drawn vastly exceeds the number of times that perps are shot. Gaining compliance by threatening to use a weapon happens every minute in this country, from police pepper spray to Tasers to guns to K9's.
To make the argument that you can't get compliance by pulling a gun and threatening to use it, just defies common sense. It's illegal for bank robbers and kidnappers, it's already legal for imminent crime victims. Walk into a liquor store and demand cash, and if the clerk pulls a gun on you, see which of you goes to jail.Attorney Phil Kline, AKA gunlawyer001@gmail.com
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September 20th, 2017, 12:44 PM #68
Re: Brandishing and firing off a shot?
Some research on Defensive Gun Uses.....
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/91d...639a1c1116.pdf
"The Hart survey results implied a minimum of about 640,000 annual DGUs involving handguns, while the Mauser results implied about 700,000 involving any type of gun."
“Kleck and Gertz’s survey (1995, pp. 182-3) of 10 other nationwide polls implies a range of 764,036 to 3,609,682 defensive uses of guns per year.”
https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/myth...leck-and-gertz
"A recent study funded by the National Institute of Justice, and conducted by criminologists Phillip J. Cook of Duke University and Jens Ludwig of Georgetown University, on behalf of the pro-"gun control" Police Foundation (a non-profit Washington D.C.-based research group spun off from the Ford Foundation in 1970), found a reported 1.5 million annual DGUs in 1994, . . ."Attorney Phil Kline, AKA gunlawyer001@gmail.com
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September 20th, 2017, 01:03 PM #69Banned
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Re: Brandishing and firing off a shot?
do you have anything supporting your OPINION from this millennium ?
Certainly the FBI must have published statistics documenting events happening millions of times per year, right?
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September 20th, 2017, 01:45 PM #70Grand Member
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Re: Brandishing and firing off a shot?
Geeze itchi...
Like you're NOT pushing opinion?American by BIRTH, Infidel by CHOICE
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