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September 13th, 2017, 03:06 PM #1Active Member
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Long distance rifle trade - need help resolving issue
I decided to trade rifles with a guy from another state (not on this forum that I know of). My rifle (DSA SA58 - basically a FAL) was not something I was familiar with, and I only put a few rounds through it. It was just an impulse buy and part of a package deal. I never field stripped it or cleaned it or anything like that. I don't know anything about it. I tried to field strip before selling and accidentally broke the take down lever. Buyer was aware of this and price was adjusted accordingly. I sent him the rifle as it sat.
He received the rifle and took it apart. He said the barrel is shot out of it. I'm going to have him send pics, but he has tons of positive feedback and seems like a decent guy. The finish on the rifle was very worn, so I do believe it's seen a lot of use. I believe him.
How do I fix this situation? The one obvious solution is to swap rifles back, but then we're out all the shipping costs and transfer fees. Would I be expected to refund him for all his costs?
He's not comfortable tackling a re-barrel job on his own. He could get a quote from a gunsmith for a new barrel. If we go this route, I wouldn't think it would be fair for me to cover 100% of the cost for a brand new barrel. I was thinking I would cover the difference between a re-barrel job and the market value of a used but good barrel (which should have been on the rifle he received).
What are your thoughts?
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September 13th, 2017, 03:45 PM #2Member
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Re: Long distance rifle trade - need help resolving issue
What we think doesn't matter ... it's what he thinks and what you think.
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September 13th, 2017, 03:52 PM #3
Re: Long distance rifle trade - need help resolving issue
He traded for a used rifle, he got a used rifle. Offer to undo the deal, but don't pay to make the used rifle better than what he bought.
Buying a used gun through the Web is a crap shoot. If something's critical, get better photos up front, or travel and fondle the thing in person. All used guns are discounted in these situations because of the surprises; that's why I wouldn't buy a used electronic device at a flea market without being able to test it, unless i was paying 5% of retail for it.Attorney Phil Kline, AKA gunlawyer001@gmail.com
Ce sac n'est pas un jouet.
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September 13th, 2017, 03:56 PM #4
Re: Long distance rifle trade - need help resolving issue
In 40 years of trades, I had one that went south in a similar manner. Personally, I don't think the other party asked his Mommy for permission first, and then cooked up a bunch of reasons why the firearm I sent wasn't suitable. Not just one reason, multiple reasons, most of which are all under the heading "Shoulda known that ahead of time, seeing that you've posted multiple times in at least one forum in an knowledgeable manner about that type of firearm."
In that case, I did the only reasonable thing -- as you suggest above:
The one obvious solution is to swap rifles back, but then we're out all the shipping costs and transfer fees. Would I be expected to refund him for all his costs?
But it is up to you both to agree on what to do. My experience is but one example on how it could go.
Once you have it back, find a gunsmith or a friend who is familiar with the FAL rifle and have him check it out. I would do it for you but I am 4 hrs away.
NoahWisdom and knowledge shall be the stability of thy times.
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September 13th, 2017, 04:14 PM #5Active Member
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Re: Long distance rifle trade - need help resolving issue
I understand that. This is the first time I've had an issue like this. I haven't yet decided what I think is reasonable, hence this post. Seeing what other people think and have experienced will help me form my opinion. There also might be another solution I haven't thought of.
Thanks for the input so far.
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September 13th, 2017, 04:48 PM #6
Re: Long distance rifle trade - need help resolving issue
How do you know the barrel is "shot-out"? Because he said so? Or because he can't shoot straight?
I have found these to be accurate rifles. I'd imagine you'd have to put 3-5,000+ rounds of real dirty ammo down the barrel and leave it uncleaned for a few years before it became "shot-out"...
What were HIS muzzle erosion and throat erosion measurements?
If he wants a new barrel, he can purchase one here: https://www.dsarms.com/c-819-barrels-and-related.aspx.
Or send it back to DSA and they'll put on a barrel for him. The prices for assorted services are here: https://www.dsarms.com/t-gunsmithing.aspx
As others have said previously, a used gun is a used gun. If he wants a new gun, he should buy a new gun. Unless you made warranties about the condition of the barrel, or mislead him, it's his responsibility now. It may actually be a blessing for if he wants a shorter barrel he can purchase one and have it installed. Also a match-grade trigger, different finish, etc.Last edited by bamboomaster; September 13th, 2017 at 05:54 PM.
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September 13th, 2017, 08:31 PM #7Grand Member
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Re: Long distance rifle trade - need help resolving issue
Did he shoot it. Sorry done deal.
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September 13th, 2017, 09:39 PM #8
Re: Long distance rifle trade - need help resolving issue
If you misrepresented the rifle you sent him and want to make amends then by all means help with the cost of a rebarrel job. If you were honest with your description then it is up to you with how to proceed.
You can explain that you guys were trading used rifle for used rifle and you do not want to undo the trade. You can offer to undo the trade and each person eats his own cost. I think those would be fair offers.
There are a few variables involved that we do not know but in the end you each took a risk in the trade and buyer (or trader) beware always applies.Some people just plain suck.
If you're gonna be dumb ya gotta be tough.
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September 14th, 2017, 09:36 AM #9
Re: Long distance rifle trade - need help resolving issue
Either reverse the transaction, or offer him "some" cash (like $100) towards a replacement barrel if you really want to keep the rifle you got.
Toujours prêt
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September 14th, 2017, 10:47 AM #10Hokkmike Guest
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