Need some info on transporting a firearm

[Ghost001]

Deleting this post...

[gnbrotz]

However, if I take my firearm, unload it, lock it in a case and seperate the ammo it is legal.

Wrong. Only applies to specific enumerated exceptions - cite on the way.

[knight0334]

...what the man above said.

The only way to legally OC in PA without a license is to walk from your home.

[gnbrotz]

From statute:

§6106. Firearms not to be carried without a license.

(a) Offense defined.

(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), any person who carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license under this chapter commits a felony of the third degree.

(2) A person who is otherwise eligible to possess a valid license under this chapter but carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license and has not committed any other criminal violation commits a misdemeanor of the first degree.

(b) Exceptions.-The provisions of subsection (a) shall not apply to:

(1) Constables, sheriffs, prison or jail wardens, or their deputies, policemen of this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions, or other law-enforcement officers.

(2) Members of the army, navy or marine corps of the United States or of the National Guard or organized reserves when on duty.

(3) The regularly enrolled members of any organization duly organized to purchase or receive such weapons from the United States or from this Commonwealth.

(4) Any persons engaged in target shooting with rifle, pistol, or revolver, if such persons are at or are going to or from their places of assembly or target practice and if, while going to or from their places of assembly or target practice, the cartridges or shells are carried in a separate container and the rifle, pistol or revolver is unloaded.

(5) Officers or employees of the United States duly authorized to carry a concealed firearm.

(6) Agents, messengers and other employees of common carriers, banks, or business firms, whose duties require them to protect moneys, valuables and other property in the discharge of such duties.

(7) Any person engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or representative of any such person, having in his possession, using or carrying a firearm in the usual or ordinary course of such business.

(8) Any person while carrying a firearm unloaded and in a secure wrapper from the place of purchase to his home or place of business, or to a place of repair or back to his home or place of business, or in moving from one place of abode or business to another or from his home to a vacation or recreational home or dwelling or back, or to recover stolen property under section 6111.1(6)(4) (relating to Pennsylvania State Police) or to a location to which the person has been directed to surrender firearms under 23 Pa.C.S. §6108 (relating to relief) or back upon return of the surrendered firearm.

(9) Persons licensed to hunt, take furbearers or fish in this Commonwealth, if such persons are actually hunting, taking furbearers or fishing or are going to the places where they desire to hunt, take furbearers or fish or returning from such places.

(10) Persons training dogs, if such persons are actually training dogs during the regular training season.

(11) Any person while carrying a firearm in any vehicle which, person possesses a valid and lawfully issued license for that firearm which has been issued under the laws of the United States or any other state.

(12) A person who has a lawfully issued license to carry a firearm pursuant to section 6109 (relating to licenses) and that said license expired within six months prior to the date of arrest and that the individual is otherwise eligible for renewal of the license.

(13) Any person who is otherwise eligible to possess a firearm under this chapter and who is operating a motor vehicle which is registered in the person's name or the name of a spouse or parent and which contains a firearm for which a valid license has been issued pursuant to section 6109 to the spouse or parent owning the firearm.

(c) Sportsman's firearm permit.

(1) Before any exception shall be granted under paragraph (b)(9) or (10) of this section to any person 18 years of age or older licensed to hunt, trap or fish or who has been issued a permit relating to hunting dogs, such person shall, at the time of securing his hunting, furtaking or fishing license or any time after such license has been issued, secure a sportsman's firearm permit from the county treasurer. The sportsman's firearm permit shall be issued immediately and be valid throughout this Commonwealth for a period of five years from the date of issue for any legal firearm, when carried in conjunction with a valid hunting, furtaking or fishing license or permit relating to hunting dogs. The sportsman's firearm permit shall be in triplicate on a form to be furnished by the Pennsylvania State Police. The original permit shall be delivered to the person, and the first copy thereof, within seven days, shall be forwarded to the Commissioner of the Pennsylvania State Police by the county treasurer. The second copy shall be retained by the county treasurer for a period of two years from the date of expiration. The county treasurer shall be entitled to collect a fee of not more than $6 for each such permit issued, which shall include the cost of any official form. The Pennsylvania State Police may recover from the county treasurer the cost of any such form, but may not charge more than $1 for each official permit form furnished to the county treasurer.

(2) Any person who sells or attempts to sell a sportsman's firearm permit for a fee in excess of that amount fixed under this subsection commits a summary offense.

(d) Revocation of registration.-Any registration of a firearm under subsection (c) of this section may be revoked by the county treasurer who issued it, upon written notice to the holder thereof.

(Chgd. by L.1997, Act 5(1); L.2000, Act 101(3), eff. 2/18/2001.)

No exception for going to Wally World so you can open carry when you get there.

[gnbrotz]

The only way to legally OC in PA without a license is to walk from your home.

I disagree. You can have another licensed party transport it for you. My wife (LTCF holder) had my pistol secured in her car the day of my hearing, so I could retrieve it immediately following the conclusion of my hearing. Had my LTCF not been restored, I could have still legally retrieved it from her vehicle and OC'd.

[knight0334]

I disagree. You can have another licensed party transport it for you. My wife (LTCF holder) had my pistol secured in her car the day of my hearing, so I could retrieve it immediately following the conclusion of my hearing. Had my LTCF not been restored, I could have still legally retrieved it from her vehicle and OC'd.

Good catch, I forgot about using that method too.

[knight0334]

So then I can't have a weapon at all in my vehicle if I do not have a LTCF? Unless I meet the above criteria?

Correct. Or like gnbrotz pointed out, your spouse/parent/grandparent/child that has a LTCF is with you to take possession of it and to transport it under the coverage of their license.

[gnbrotz]

Correct. Or like gnbrotz pointed out, your spouse/parent/grandparent/child that has a LTCF is with you to take possession of it and to transport it under the coverage of their license.

Any licensee can transport for you. I had a fellow PAFOA member set up to transport to the restaurant and then to my home in the event that I did not prevail in court (my wife had to remain at work until 5:00).

[gnbrotz]

So then I can't have a weapon at all in my vehicle if I do not have a LTCF? Unless I meet the above criteria?

Correct. Even an unloaded firearm, with NO ammo present anywhere in the vehicle is a violation of the statute, unless you fall under one of the listed exceptions.

[Steve in PA]

Here is the question...

I don't have my LTCF (Yeah right) but I can OC per PA state law. But I need a LTCF to carry in my vehicle. However, if I take my firearm, unload it, lock it in a case and seperate the ammo it is legal. Can I then drive said vehicle to say Wally World, park take my weapon out o the case, load it and then OC?

If not, where does it say it in the statute?

Funny, there is a very similar thread over on GT about the same issue.

Anyway, no.....what you plan on doing is illegal.