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    Default Re: Former Philly Top Cop says National Reciprocity a disaster.

    Reading the Lott report, I see nothing about misdemeanors and felonies in general. I see figures analyzing crimes involving a gun.

    If I am correct, may I suggest that police officers are more likely to employ a gun to begin with than the LTCF holders who "are reluctant to use the guns in a wrong way because they have a lot to lose if they do something wrong"? Looks like a formula for skewing numbers to me. Police officers making nanosecond decisions while others avoid any action.

    There is an old saying in police work. The guy who gets into trouble is usually the guy who was trying to do something.

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    Default Re: Former Philly Top Cop says National Reciprocity a disaster.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ricochet View Post
    Active and former police officers are just citizens who chose a career in public service.
    Why are they afforded special rights(LEOSA) that other citizens cannot benefit from?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bang View Post
    Because facts and logic don't matter. The states of Texas and Florida track offenses by their CCL holders. The data shows that licensed carriers are something like NINE TIMES less likely to commit a serious crime than the average citizen. They're way more law-abiding than even the average cop.

    Excellent example of facts and logic don't matter.
    Quote Originally Posted by GunLawyer001 View Post
    Licensed carriers are about 1/6th as likely to commit a felony or misdemeanor than police officers.

    http://www.dailywire.com/news/8255/r...-aaron-bandler
    I always looked at it as, doing this job, I have made a lot more enemies from folks I have dealt with than your average citizen has doing their job.

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    Default Re: Former Philly Top Cop says National Reciprocity a disaster.

    On January 11, 2017, Breitbart News reported a Pew Research Center survey showing that rank-and-file police officers support protecting citizens’ gun rights over passing more gun control by a margin of 3-to-1. And on July 15, 2016, Breitbart News reported that the Annual National Survey of Police Chiefs showed that 76 percent of chiefs believed armed citizens reduce crime.

    Moreover, the survey showed “nearly 87 percent” of police chiefs support national reciprocity of concealed carry permits.
    http://www.breitbart.com/calif...y-laps-charlie-beck/

    My opinion (and we all know about opinions....) a higher % of LEOs support civilian concealed carry than a higher percentage of civilians. But never let any facts get in the way of a good post.

    As someone who has spent a little time as an LEO, I'll tell you - the majority of LEOs; both rank and file and admin, do support concealed carry for us.
    Tomorrow's battle is won during today's practice.

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    Default Re: Former Philly Top Cop says National Reciprocity a disaster.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yoder View Post
    Everyone should be against stop and frisk. It's a complete violation of the Constitution and your individual rights. I couldn't believe this was a real thing when I first heard about it. I thought maybe in China but not here.
    How about when a cop says you're not under arrest , but he's gonna pat you down and check for weapons for HIS SAFETY.
    I don't speak English , I talk American!

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    Default Re: Former Philly Top Cop says National Reciprocity a disaster.

    Quote Originally Posted by abner13 View Post
    How about when a cop says you're not under arrest , but he's gonna pat you down and check for weapons for HIS SAFETY.
    Both are bullshit. "You look like you might be guilty of something, come here! Show me your papers." DUI and wild game roadblocks are the same thing. If i don't match the description of somebody who committed a crime go fuck yourself. All of the "greater good" is nonsense.
    I heard it on the Internet, it must be true.

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    Default Re: Former Philly Top Cop says National Reciprocity a disaster.

    Quote Originally Posted by Carson View Post
    I always looked at it as, doing this job, I have made a lot more enemies from folks I have dealt with than your average citizen has doing their job.
    Thats a valid concern.
    However, rights are rights and career choice is irrelevant.

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    Default Re: Former Philly Top Cop says National Reciprocity a disaster.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ricochet View Post
    Thats a valid concern.
    However, rights are rights and career choice is irrelevant.
    Yep. I have no problem with police officers carrying while off duty or retired, same as I have no problem with soldiers, firemen, teachers, accountants, athletes, lawmakers, astronauts, and anyone else who's an American citizen doing the same thing.

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    Default Re: Former Philly Top Cop says National Reciprocity a disaster.

    I was trained by Uncle Sam free of charge.

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    Default Re: Former Philly Top Cop says National Reciprocity a disaster.

    Quote Originally Posted by Carson View Post
    I always looked at it as, doing this job, I have made a lot more enemies from folks I have dealt with than your average citizen has doing their job.
    I'm a prick that pisses off a lot of people. There are plenty of jobs that involve pissing people off on a daily basis.

    And does this guy think thugs and drug dealers worry about a license to carry?

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    Default Re: Former Philly Top Cop says National Reciprocity a disaster.

    Quote Originally Posted by Qtrborecrazy View Post
    I was trained by Uncle Sam free of charge.
    and ironically, your training doesn't qualify you to carry here.
    still gotta jump through whatever hoops your state of choice places on you.
    thats some messed up #$^& sleep with your rifle overseas, not allowed to be near it in homeland.
    "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

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