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    Default Re: Former Philly Top Cop says National Reciprocity a disaster.

    Like we should be heeding the advice of a former leader from that cesspool of crime known as Philadelphia.
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    Default Re: Former Philly Top Cop says National Reciprocity a disaster.

    Quote Originally Posted by abner13 View Post
    Ramsey was against stop & frisk , because it targeted blacks so it's racist.
    Against mandatory minimums for firearms offenses , MM's are racist.
    Against Federal prosecution of firearms offenses , yep , racist.
    Against castle doctrine and stand your ground. Racist.
    Everyone should be against stop and frisk. It's a complete violation of the Constitution and your individual rights. I couldn't believe this was a real thing when I first heard about it. I thought maybe in China but not here.
    I heard it on the Internet, it must be true.

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    Default Re: Former Philly Top Cop says National Reciprocity a disaster.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yoder View Post
    Everyone should be against stop and frisk. It's a complete violation of the Constitution and your individual rights. I couldn't believe this was a real thing when I first heard about it. I thought maybe in China but not here.
    Well, it had the advantage of actually working, disarming the gangbangers, and saving lives. So it had that going for it.

    We do have a Constitutional right against unreasonable search and seizure. On the other hand, the Constitution isn't a mutual suicide pact. If the permanent underclass of repeat offenders is going to be armed while the rest of the little people obey disarmament laws, then there's an argument that maybe cops ought to make the bad guys afraid to carry their expensive stolen guns around with them. Which is what happened under stop & frisk policies.

    Guns seized during warrantless searches that lacked any PC usually couldn't be used to prosecute someone, the exclusionary rule prevented that. The exclusionary rule is the relief that the courts provide for "unreasonable" searches.

    Stop & frisk, like democracy, is the worst solution to a problem, except for all the other options.
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    Default Re: Former Philly Top Cop says National Reciprocity a disaster.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bang View Post
    LEOSA was formed to enhance the National Security Act resulting from 9/11.

    Yes and no.
    That was the way it was sold to lawmakers.
    But within the FOP it was all about preserving the ability for LEO's to carry off duty and after retirement
    Of course the FOP encouraged it, since it affected its officers. Not only ability to carry off duty and retired, but nationwide. Nationwide allowed those familiar with confrontational firearms encounters to augment public safety with respect to terrorism.
    The FOP didn't just encourage LEOSA, they were one of it's most involved drafters.
    LEOSA was a top legislative priority of the FOP for years.
    Clinton was elected in 1993.
    The "assault weapons ban" came into law in 1994.
    LEOSA was pretty much in the works soon after 1994 until it was enacted in 2004.
    It has been revised twice so far because the FOP continued to lobby heavily for the provisions closer to their original design.
    I would have to go back and check my literature to see exactly when the FOP started lobbying for LEOSA.
    But it was well in advance of 9/11.
    9/11 just gave LEOSA another selling point to give to lawmakers.
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    Default Re: Former Philly Top Cop says National Reciprocity a disaster.

    If the reciprocity bill is passed you will still need a ltcf from some state before legally carrying.

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    Default Re: Former Philly Top Cop says National Reciprocity a disaster.

    Active and former police officers are just citizens who chose a career in public service.
    Why are they afforded special rights(LEOSA) that other citizens cannot benefit from?

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    Default Re: Former Philly Top Cop says National Reciprocity a disaster.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ricochet View Post
    Active and former police officers are just citizens who chose a career in public service.
    Why are they afforded special rights(LEOSA) that other citizens cannot benefit from?
    Because facts and logic don't matter. The states of Texas and Florida track offenses by their CCL holders. The data shows that licensed carriers are something like NINE TIMES less likely to commit a serious crime than the average citizen. They're way more law-abiding than even the average cop.

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    Default Re: Former Philly Top Cop says National Reciprocity a disaster.

    Quote Originally Posted by akapjr View Post
    If the reciprocity bill is passed you will still need a ltcf from some state before legally carrying.
    That doesn't agree with Ramsey's anti-gun rhetoric. He's an elitist, believes he's better than the little people.
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    Default Re: Former Philly Top Cop says National Reciprocity a disaster.

    Because facts and logic don't matter. The states of Texas and Florida track offenses by their CCL holders. The data shows that licensed carriers are something like NINE TIMES less likely to commit a serious crime than the average citizen. They're way more law-abiding than even the average cop.

    Excellent example of facts and logic don't matter.

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    Default Re: Former Philly Top Cop says National Reciprocity a disaster.

    Quote Originally Posted by scruff View Post
    Because facts and logic don't matter. The states of Texas and Florida track offenses by their CCL holders. The data shows that licensed carriers are something like NINE TIMES less likely to commit a serious crime than the average citizen. They're way more law-abiding than even the average cop.
    Licensed carriers are about 1/6th as likely to commit a felony or misdemeanor than police officers.

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