CLAIM: Open carry not permitted if possessing LTCF

[Manxdriver]

Ask him to show you the word 'concealed anywhere on a LTCF. Hint: it's not there.

[knight0334]

No license/permit in ANY state causes you to lose your right to carry openly if you are licensed/permitted. ....except those states that open carry is prohibited already - PA isn't one of them.

You do not lose your right to walk if you have a drivers license. You do not lose your right to carry a Bible if you have a parade permit.

[Gun]

Along with that, you cannot open carry if you have a beer in your hand, you have to drive in the right most lane, when on a multiple lane roadway, stop at railroad crossings if open carrying, cede the right way to conceal carriers when driving, be the last one to enter a movie theater if open carrying, never use the drive-thru if open carrying, never break traffic laws if open carrying, go to church on Sunday if open carrying and most importantly, NEVER open carry a Hi Point.

I think that covers it.

[donotknowme]

Make a bet with him before you bring it up.

[LTCcarrier]

Make a bet with him before you bring it up.

What I have always found amusing as an attorney and as a former police officer is that many people who are unqualified to give advice are the one who most attempt to push their advice. Such as a gun store owner, police officers, etc. First of all in most states it is a felony to engage in the practice of law without a law license. Secondly, it can be dangerous for the person who attempts to rely on such advice.

A gun store owner telling you that you lose a right because you obtain a LTCF should be suspect. I remember as a police officer in the 80s many police stated to persons in PA open carrying that they would be charged with Disorderly Conduct for causing annoyance or alarm in public.

If you have a legal question you can search the statutes, case law, consult an attorney or the Office of Attorney General. Relying on lay opinions of law can be to your detriment.

[Noah_Zark]

Shop name please.

Please.

Please.

^^^THIS^^^

It would be nice to know so that the place can be avoided.

Noah

[Emptymag]

Always the same. "A gun shop told me lies and ripped me off."

Q: What shop?

A: Oh, I don't really want to say.


WTF?

[donotknowme]

Always the same. "A gun shop told me lies and ripped me off."

Q: What shop?

A: Oh, I don't really want to say.


WTF?

Maybe they're a great shop other than not being well versed in the law. And by "well versed" I mean they knew less than I did (and that is saying something).

[Emptymag]

Maybe they're a great shop other than not being well versed in the law. And by "well versed" I mean they knew less than I did (and that is saying something).

I'd still like to know what I'm dealing with in advance if this sort of bad info is being doled out.


Hey guys, I bought bottled water and I found out it has human urine in some of it.

What brand?

Oh, I'd really rather not say, it's a really great company other than the pee.

[RayDiffraction]

^^^THIS^^^

It would be nice to know so that the place can be avoided.

Noah

Always the same. "A gun shop told me lies and ripped me off."

Q: What shop?

A: Oh, I don't really want to say.


WTF?

Please bear in mind that I have sincere respect for the posters in this forum and would not want even a total stranger to get ripped off or be given bad info from some clown LGS. Normally I would name names (and I have with other issues in other forums), but it would be irresponsible for me to do so and possibly very unfair to this person and business. Here's why:

1. Nobody intentionally lied to me and I certainly did not get ripped off on my purchase. I got a better deal than expected.
2. I would need to confirm with 100% certainty that the erroneous claim was not said in jest before outing the person/LGS and damaging the business. Even if I did that, I could still be hit with a LIBEL LAWSUIT, and I have no witnesses.
3. The inaccurate info did no real harm, did not cause a dangerous situation, and will be corrected shortly.
4. Owner is an articulate 2nd Amendment advocate who who was 100% spot on with his other statements.
5. LGS was very friendly, very helpful, and owned by a veteran.
6. And if you re-read GunLawyer001's post in this discussion, you will be reminded that there are people in positions of authority with the government who have gotten this particular issue wrong. If the LGS owner learned his erroneous information from one of these "authorities," how can you so easily blame the LGS owner?

If he ripped me off or told me something like "you really shouldn't open carry around here because it upsets too many soccer moms," you'd know the name already. I realize that there are a variety of reasons one may wish to know names, but prudence (legal) and my conscience will not allow me to ruin someone's livelihood over something that he may have been told by an uninformed LEO/Sheriff/DA/DJ....or even learned from his USCCA trainer.