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July 10th, 2017, 02:12 PM #41
Re: CLAIM: Open carry not permitted if possessing LTCF
Just so we're on the same page, wanting to know who is telling people dumb shit is not the same as calling for a boycott.
I called to check my ZIP CODE!....DY-NO-MITE!!!
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July 10th, 2017, 02:15 PM #42
Re: CLAIM: Open carry not permitted if possessing LTCF
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July 10th, 2017, 02:46 PM #43
Re: CLAIM: Open carry not permitted if possessing LTCF
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July 11th, 2017, 08:18 AM #44Grand Member
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Re: CLAIM: Open carry not permitted if possessing LTCF
Back in '82 when I applied for my first LTCF, I was told the same thing by the local police where I applied. Probably just another misguided, misinformed, pabulum puker who doesn't bother to keep up with the times. Dinosaurs are not all extinct.
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July 11th, 2017, 09:31 AM #45Grand Member
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Re: CLAIM: Open carry not permitted if possessing LTCF
As a veteran of multiple conflicts I have to ask, what does his status as a veteran have to do with anything? David Berkowitz, Tim McVeigh, Gary Ridgeway, Jeffrey Dahmer, Lee Harvey Oswald, Charles Whitman, John Anthony Walker... they were all veterans. "Veteran" can be defined in many ways. You can do a 4 year stint in the Coast Guard Reserve spending weekends patrolling Lake Ontario and call yourself a veteran (no ding on the Coasties, it's just an example). Some define a veteran as one who has deployed to a war zone or retired from 20 yrs of Federal service. Some Fed agencies want to see a campaign ribbon to credit veteran service.
As for the soccer mom comment... You'd be more offended/concerned that he would say that than spewing incorrect legal advice? Those are some twisted priorities. I risk offending my neighbors every time I load the car to go to the range or hunting. In the past 20 yrs I've had cops "conveniently" show up at various residences at least 4 times because I was seen loading or unloading multiple firearms from my vehicle. Each time they left pretty quickly and I told them it was unfortunate some idiot wasted their time. The bottom line is the possibility of offending one of my bunny petting tree hugger neighbors does NOT even cross my mind. People that are relied on for accurate advice but don't have any common sense are a concern. Fortunately you realized his knowledge was questionable but how many others have gone to this idiot seeking guidance and been misled? Due to his business and profession, many will see him as a subject matter expert. How many first time gun owners or single moms wanting to protect their children could be going to this guy and receiving a total bullshit story that could land them in legal trouble? Providing details of the shop name and location is not a malicious action, it is simply a means of protecting our members. I'd give him my business but I would also keep in mind he's not always correct. It is the gun shop owners responsibility to ensure he provides accurate and truthful advice.
As for his certification as a USSCA instructor.... this is just my opinion but that is not the most reputable credential to advertise. Anyone can get their certificate to hang on the wall if they pay a fee and complete an online class. Two of my soldiers completed the course last spring and were not impressed. The online portion was generic and basically tells you to know the laws of your state. This makes sense since each state differs but we already know this. At the written test the instructor provided answers to several students that were struggling. Below are the instructions from USCCA's website.
Steps To Become A Certified Instructor
1. Activate and complete the USCCA Concealed Carry & Home Defense Fundamentals eLearning module.
At this time, you will also purchase your USCCA Instructor Toolkit which includes your classroom presentation PowerPoint, 10 copies of Concealed Carry & Home Defense Fundamentals by Author Michael Martin, a classroom poster, 10 copies of Concealed Carry Magazine, and a USCCA Instructor Polo and range cap.
Call 1-877-577-4800 to purchase your eLearning module and to order your toolkit. Instructor candidates can purchase these together at a discounted price. (You will receive your toolkit after completing Step 3, the USCCA Instructor Certification Course.)
2. Find and Sign up for a USCCA Instructor Certification class with a USCCA Training Counselor near you.
3. Attend a USCCA Instructor Certification course with a USCCA Training Counselor and qualify by passing both live fire and written examinations. You will receive your toolkit after completing the USCCA Instructor Certification Course.
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July 11th, 2017, 09:37 AM #46
Re: CLAIM: Open carry not permitted if possessing LTCF
In post #6, OP says "I'll be sure to bring this to the attention of the shop owner."
That should be enough, IMHO. No need to burn his store to the ground (figuratively).
OP, as a responsible member of the 2A community, please be sure to do what you say. We police our own, and sometimes we even eat our own! :-)Help us restore election integrity in PA. Join PA Voters United
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July 11th, 2017, 09:58 AM #47
Re: CLAIM: Open carry not permitted if possessing LTCF
Blah, blah, blah, Why not just say it was Frank at Frank's Double Tap, remember that guy? So what it's across the State, we know that owner's an asshole,,,Had to be him!!!!
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July 11th, 2017, 12:43 PM #48Junior Member
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Re: CLAIM: Open carry not permitted if possessing LTCF
The purpose of my statement was to humanize the store owner against calls for outing him, which carries with it the real possibility of unjustly punishing his business, and in turn, his family. Many gun buyers are veterans, and a good deal of them look to patronize any veteran owned business. His veteran status adds to the picture of making him a real person and a builds a connection, albeit not deeply explored here, with the many veterans on this board. (BTW, I am aware of the specifics of his service but will not post them for the curious to piece together the owner's identity.)
As for the soccer mom comment... You'd be more offended/concerned that he would say that than spewing incorrect legal advice? Those are some twisted priorities. I risk offending my neighbors every time I load the car to go to the range or hunting. In the past 20 yrs I've had cops "conveniently" show up at various residences at least 4 times because I was seen loading or unloading multiple firearms from my vehicle. Each time they left pretty quickly and I told them it was unfortunate some idiot wasted their time. The bottom line is the possibility of offending one of my bunny petting tree hugger neighbors does NOT even cross my mind. People that are relied on for accurate advice but don't have any common sense are a concern. Fortunately you realized his knowledge was questionable but how many others have gone to this idiot seeking guidance and been misled? Due to his business and profession, many will see him as a subject matter expert. How many first time gun owners or single moms wanting to protect their children could be going to this guy and receiving a total bullshit story that could land them in legal trouble? Providing details of the shop name and location is not a malicious action, it is simply a means of protecting our members. I'd give him my business but I would also keep in mind he's not always correct. It is the gun shop owners responsibility to ensure he provides accurate and truthful advice.
Out of respect for the integrity of this thread, I did not edit it to something better. The point I was trying to make that it wasn't as if he were a strong advocate against our rights, with one example being the right to open carry. I also liked knight0334's Dick's Sporting Goods "assault weapons" example.
To your other point, bear in mind that this person was not an endless fount of incorrect legal advice. He got everything else right, but made ONE error that apparently is more common than I had realized. It's also difficult to hold this owner responsible if he indeed learned it from a trusted authority and was trying to be helpful. You are questioning his common sense, but the other side of that coin is that it should be common knowledge among all of us here that states do pass gun laws that don't make sense. Also, if we are honest with ourselves, I think everyone reading this can think of an occasion in which we learned some incorrect information on a rule/regulation/law (if you are a hunter, it's likely you have) and maybe even disseminated it with the best of intentions to someone else.
As for his certification as a USSCA instructor.... this is just my opinion but that is not the most reputable credential to advertise. Anyone can get their certificate to hang on the wall if they pay a fee and complete an online class. Two of my soldiers completed the course last spring and were not impressed. The online portion was generic and basically tells you to know the laws of your state. This makes sense since each state differs but we already know this. At the written test the instructor provided answers to several students that were struggling. Below are the instructions from USCCA's website.
Steps To Become A Certified Instructor
1. Activate and complete the USCCA Concealed Carry & Home Defense Fundamentals eLearning module.
At this time, you will also purchase your USCCA Instructor Toolkit which includes your classroom presentation PowerPoint, 10 copies of Concealed Carry & Home Defense Fundamentals by Author Michael Martin, a classroom poster, 10 copies of Concealed Carry Magazine, and a USCCA Instructor Polo and range cap.
Call 1-877-577-4800 to purchase your eLearning module and to order your toolkit. Instructor candidates can purchase these together at a discounted price. (You will receive your toolkit after completing Step 3, the USCCA Instructor Certification Course.)
2. Find and Sign up for a USCCA Instructor Certification class with a USCCA Training Counselor near you.
3. Attend a USCCA Instructor Certification course with a USCCA Training Counselor and qualify by passing both live fire and written examinations. You will receive your toolkit after completing the USCCA Instructor Certification Course.Last edited by RayDiffraction; July 11th, 2017 at 12:55 PM.
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July 11th, 2017, 01:02 PM #49
Re: CLAIM: Open carry not permitted if possessing LTCF
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July 11th, 2017, 02:08 PM #50
Re: CLAIM: Open carry not permitted if possessing LTCF
It's time to shop another gun store it may be a likely scenario where he tries to sell you ammo meant for full auto instead of a semi auto.
Corruption is the default behavior of government officials. JPC
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