OC Reasonableness...?

**JAKIII** · June 25th, 2017, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by Sgt.K

Something that starts with a 4. Followed by something other than 0. i.e. .44 .45 .454 .460 .475 ...

Just sayin'...

Guys carrying 'cannons' are usually compensating for something 'else'. A .380 will kill you just fine. Just saying...

**Remington788** · June 25th, 2017, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by priell3

PENNDOT offices have "no gun" decals on the doors. .

Discussed in depth here

http://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=248932

I just wonder if carrying an LCP Mexican style really counts a OC?

**FJW** · June 25th, 2017, 09:01 PM

90% percent of the time I carry my Shield IWB, under my shirt, with nothing holding it but a belt clip. I don't know if this qualifies as "Mexican". Guatemalan maybe??

**Sgt.K** · June 25th, 2017, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by JAKIII

Guys carrying 'cannons' are usually compensating for something 'else'. A .380 will kill you just fine. Just saying...

A .380 will kill the body.

A .45 will kill the soul...

**Emptymag** · June 25th, 2017, 11:07 PM

I think this is the type of response the OP is looking for...

It's a god damned shame that people feel they need to hide/temporarily give up a right based on worry about what someone else may think.

**pacodelahoya** · June 26th, 2017, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by FJW

When one or two libs in a crowd decides to make a stink, the distraction or momentary "stop-work" can hold everyone up. And the residual libs in the room will probably blame you for that even if they weren't the ones who initially called attention to the "man with gun".

There was another thread earlier today where an OC'r at Walmart carelessly put her weapon down on the counter while she was fishing for her wallet or something like that. And although I'm sure most open carriers wouldn't do that her behavior was still somehow connected to it. The way I see it, unless youre on the trail or wearing a sidearm is part of your job, it's really best to wear Firearms closer to the vest in an urban environment. I was fairly relaxed around people who open carry even when I was a kid, before I ever owned my own gun, and nobody in my family except for one or two was really into guns at all. I think the government shouldnt have too much to say about it. And other people have a right not to carry if that's what they feel. But one thing is certain you are simply not going to educate or change all the people in the world and convert them to being pro-gun or being comfortable around guns. I think people who are chickenshit of guns are thr main problem, but people who like to wave guns under their noses by open carrying are also contributing to a disturbance in some cases. Sometimes common sense is above the law. If you want to challenge the status quo of your state to make it a little more like Texas, you may be able to do so without breaking any laws but they're also maybe a price to pay in the form of inviting uneccessary trouble.
Is it worth it? I guees maybe in some cases it is.... and in some its not.

So by open carrying, I'm "waving my gun under their noses"?

Pa has more lenient carry laws than Texas.

Seems YOU don't like open carry and are projecting on those who do.

**KCJones** · June 26th, 2017, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by Emptymag

I think this is the type of response the OP is looking for...

It's a god damned shame that people feel they need to hide/temporarily give up a right based on worry about what someone else may think.

Thanks, EM.

Truth is no agenda here / "looking for" anything. Just pointing out the quandary between asserting a right and convenience.

FWIW, the place we went was a PennDOT-authorized 'agency' not an official PennDOT office. No sticker on the door.

**FJW** · June 26th, 2017, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by pacodelahoya

So by open carrying, I'm "waving my gun under their noses"?

Pa has more lenient carry laws than Texas.

Seems YOU don't like open carry and are projecting on those who do.

You're tempting fate, plain and simple. Doesn't mean it's "wrong" to open carry. So I guess you're the guy who's gonna make me have to wait longer to renew my license at PennDOT because you HAVE to show off. Likewise I ALSO have contempt for the liberal who makes such a big deal about your open carrying. Together you BOTH have the potential to make life suck for the rest of us with your absolute convictions.

As someone else said, just cover it up, get your business done and get out.

As i said, in some cases it may be worth it... and in some caees it's not.

**Emptymag** · June 26th, 2017, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by FJW

You're tempting fate, plain and simple. Doesn't mean it's "wrong" to open carry. So I guess you're the guy who's gonna make me have to wait longer to renew my license at PennDOT because you HAVE to show off. Likewise I ALSO have contempt for the liberal who makes such a big deal about your open carrying. Together you BOTH have the potential to make life suck for the rest of us with your absolute convictions.

As someone else said, just cover it up, get your business done and get out.

As i said, in some cases it may be worth it... and in some caees it's not.

Wow.

**Mitch10mm** · June 26th, 2017, 10:15 AM

Yep showing it off is a lot more hassle than concealing it. Six years OC, told I'm not allowed at Subway and one local bank was asked to cover. Nobody else has cared or noticed.

If I think it might be questionable I cover. As this guy did. Because most people are considerate of others if raised right, it's not even a gun issue.

The "showing off" comment just shows a close mindedness that will not change