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    Quote Originally Posted by allenr View Post
    As I see it the problem for the OP is that he lives in the third circuit not the sixth. One circuits precedent is not binding on any other. It might be a way to take the matter to court by petitioning the third circuit to consider his argument. I expect that would be a long shot.
    He could relocate to the sixth.

    But that brings up a new issue. Suppose he lived in the sixth and legally purchased there. Then moved to the third. What would his status then be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie View Post
    I had to sign her into a facility because she was not willing to. She never threatened harm to herself or anybody for that matter. She was given meds and therapy for 30 days and released with a diagnosis of depression. Since then (20 years ago), she's been treated with therapy and meds......she has been just fine. It's an illness that is totally under control. BTW, the court was not involved, at least to my knowledge.
    Who is she (daughter, wife, mother, etc.)? If you signed her in, it may be considered voluntary. Do you have any of the records or anything to indicate that is was an involuntary commitment?

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    She is screwed nationwide unless she can get a lawyer to fix her problem in PA by saying the commitment was invalid. Which is not a foregone conclusion.

    Our law allows restoration of rights. A judge rewrote our laws. That's pretty much mostly what they do and they should be tarred and feathered and run out of town. And I'm trying to be polite and skipping the part with the rope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SigForLife View Post
    We have successful case law here in PA regarding Second Amendment as-applied challenges to mental health commitments that I litigated. The Gov't originally appealed the case to the Third Circuit but then withdrew it, when the Acting Solicitor General determined that no appeal should've been taken - https://blog.princelaw.com/2017/01/1...th-commitment/ I also have pending a federal challenge in the Western District that a 302 is insufficient to trigger a federal prohibition due to the lack of due process afforded.
    Prince Law, eh? We have a phone conference on Monday at 10 am with Attorney Adam Kraut. Hoping for some positive news.
    Last edited by Ronnie; June 9th, 2017 at 08:36 AM.

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    Was she 14 or older?

    Also, highly recommend Michael McCormick, this is his specialty area and he is very fair.

    Good luck with everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie View Post
    Prince Law, eh? We have a phone conference on Monday at 10 am with Attorney Adam Kraut. Hoping for some positive news.
    Great firm and atty - ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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