New Mossberg Shockwave 12ga

**bluetrane2028** · April 30th, 2017, 12:15 AM

If it had a stock, it's legally a shotgun. If you put a barrel shorter than 18" on it, you had better have a tax stamp...

**Gunsnwater** · April 30th, 2017, 01:05 AM

They go for $399 no worries about definitions.

**bogey1** · April 30th, 2017, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by Gunsnwater

They go for $399 no worries about definitions.

Talk about stupid laws.

**jthrelf** · April 30th, 2017, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by Gun

Firearm." Any pistol or revolver with a barrel length less than 15 inches, any shotgun with a barrel length less than 18 inches or any rifle with a barrel length less than 16 inches, or any pistol, revolver, rifle or shotgun with an overall length of less than 26 inches. The barrel length of a firearm shall be determined by measuring from the muzzle of the barrel to the face of the closed action, bolt or cylinder, whichever is applicable.

So NO.

Good point. So since under PA law this is a "firearm", it must go through an FFL for transfer BUT it can be loaded inside a vehicle? I know there's still some grey area but important to figure out for us pennsylvanians!

**esh21167** · April 30th, 2017, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by jthrelf

Good point. So since under PA law this is a "firearm", it must go through an FFL for transfer BUT it can be loaded inside a vehicle? I know there's still some grey area but important to figure out for us pennsylvanians!

Yes, according to a discussion I had with an attorney. BUT, LE might not think so (they might think it's an AOW or SBS), so he also said to possibly expect detention and arrest, and likely charges filed, though they would likely be dropped if you have an attorney representing you. He feels a conviction on those grounds would be also be highly unlikely. He also said that since LE might want some type of conviction, that you could be charged (and possibly convicted) under PA game law for having a loaded firearm in your vehicle, resulting in loss of hunting license.

I don't feel like being a test case though.

**Kramer** · May 2nd, 2017, 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by esh21167

Yes, according to a discussion I had with an attorney. BUT, LE might not think so (they might think it's an AOW or SBS), so he also said to possibly expect detention and arrest, and likely charges filed, though they would likely be dropped if you have an attorney representing you. He feels a conviction on those grounds would be also be highly unlikely. He also said that since LE might want some type of conviction, that you could be charged (and possibly convicted) under PA game law for having a loaded firearm in your vehicle, resulting in loss of hunting license.

I don't feel like being a test case though.

And this is why the previous thread about this firearm went on for 12 pages. Sorry but I would not buy one until I see an official ruling by Harrisburg and in print.

**Mitch10mm** · May 2nd, 2017, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by Maquis

I saw on FB yesterday that Remington is coming out with their own version.

I saw that. Looks pretty sharp.
At first I had zero interest now it's kind of "why not"? Lol

**bluetrane2028** · May 2nd, 2017, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by Mitch10mm

I saw that. Looks pretty sharp.
At first I had zero interest now it's kind of "why not"? Lol

I prefer the Mossberg's safety with that style of grip. Also, its bigger ejection port makes loading from a side saddle faster and easier IMO, and I don't like the gate that Remington puts over the magazine.

That said, choices are great.

**Mitch10mm** · May 2nd, 2017, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by bluetrane2028

I prefer the Mossberg's safety with that style of grip. Also, its bigger ejection port makes loading from a side saddle faster and easier IMO, and I don't like the gate that Remington puts over the magazine.

That said, choices are great.

I agree. I like the Mossberg. I kind of garbled what I was saying.

**knight0334** · May 2nd, 2017, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by esh21167

Yes, according to a discussion I had with an attorney. BUT, LE might not think so (they might think it's an AOW or SBS), so he also said to possibly expect detention and arrest, and likely charges filed, though they would likely be dropped if you have an attorney representing you. He feels a conviction on those grounds would be also be highly unlikely. He also said that since LE might want some type of conviction, that you could be charged (and possibly convicted) under PA game law for having a loaded firearm in your vehicle, resulting in loss of hunting license.

I don't feel like being a test case though.

That has been ruled against countless times. Game laws are only applicable when going to/from/during hunting. Otherwise, sitting on your toilet while holding a gun would constitute "hunting" by the same measure of law.